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Post by John1974 on Feb 16, 2024 11:38:02 GMT -6
The draft class will be up with todays sim. NO EDITS HAVE BEEN made. (The 2 ABA Players are not added yet.) So we will need some work with this class.
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Post by John1974 on Feb 16, 2024 11:51:03 GMT -6
ok nevermind the ABA players added. I had time to get them in before i had to go. (No Edits yet.)
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Post by Kong on Feb 16, 2024 15:33:14 GMT -6
Jordan class + Wilt. Epic. And most proxy teams are going for wins, lol.
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Post by beatonz on Feb 16, 2024 16:08:02 GMT -6
Man the East is stacked.
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Post by Kong on Feb 16, 2024 16:13:27 GMT -6
How long before Daboy starts making indecent proposals to win the lottery?
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Post by jupee on Feb 20, 2024 3:09:45 GMT -6
Michael Jordan SG 6'6'' 195 21 B+ C B B+ C A
Hakeem Olajuwon C 7'0'' 250 21 B+ D+ C- B+ B A
Charles Barkley PF 6'6'' 252 21 B C+ C B B+ A
Alvin Robertson PG 6'4'' 190 22 B- C- B- B C B
John Stockton PG 6'1'' 175 22 C B- B+ B+ D A
Jay Humphries PG 6'3'' 185 22 C+ C B B D B
Otis Thorpe PF 6'10'' 246 22 B D+ C- B- B B
Kevin Willis C 7'0'' 240 22 B- C- D B B+ B
Antoine Carr PF 6'9'' 255 23 B- C- C- B+ C- B (bigman who avaraged 3.4 reb in career lol)
Eddie Lee Wilkins PF 6'10'' 220 22 B- D+ D- B- B- C
Sam Bowie C 7'1'' 263 23 B- C- C B+ B D
Mel Turpin PF 6'11'' 240 23 C+ C- D B- C+ C
Ozell Jones PF 6'11'' 235 23 B- D- D+ B- C+ C
Stuart Gray C 7'0'' 245 21 C+ C- D- B C+ C
Sam Perkins PF 6'9'' 255 23 B- C+ C B- B- B (one of the first stretch bigs)
Mobius Hughes - fake Jacquez Chamberlain - fake Bobby Trester - fake
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Post by Pepe Silvia on Feb 20, 2024 9:25:03 GMT -6
Michael Jordan SG 6'6'' 195 21 A C+ C+ B C A I've yet to see a sim where Jordan translated accurately. To me, A inside may seem crazy from the jump, but strength and jumping don't grow really in TC and he was very good at both, and he is a top 3 finisher at the rim of all time, so I really don't see an issue "buffing" his inside coming into the league. What we also know is that he wasn't a 3 point shooter, so that should be likely in the 20s with JS in the low 80s. B handling is just too high imo. His ast:to ratio wasn't great and nerfing his passing would make him more effective anyways. It's my personal opinion he was a bit overrated as a defender, as Scottie always took the lead wing player, or did so most of the time. Stealing should be high, but outside of that let TC do it's thing. I'd be ok even with C- rebounding and see what TC does given that he's probably going to have close to 100 potential.
Wilt Chamberlain C 7'1'' 275 18 A D D+ B B+ A Him being 18 with assumed very high potential makes him hard to build, but hes one of the most efficient post scorers of all time, and has a ridiculously shitty efficiency outside of the post. Wasn't particularly quick, not a great passer, handling can be a ding on him. TC should do it's thing for his defense so thats whatever. Same with rebounding.
Hakeem Olajuwon C 7'0'' 250 21 A- C- C- A- B+ B More polished and "NBA ready" physically than MJ coming out made him the easy #1 choice. Solid from the line so shouldn't be in the D's for outside. Reb/def should still grow considerably with B potential, and A- B+ d/r already puts him top tier coming in.
Charles Barkley PF 6'6'' 252 21 B+ C- C B B+ A Grew as a scorer considerably in his first 4 years in the league, becoming a go to guy so he could start a bit lower. Didn't put up a lot of defensive counting stats, but stout in the post. B allows for lower blocking but high post d. On part with Hakeem and Wilt rebounding wise.
John Stockton PG 6'1'' 175 22 C B A- A- D+ A Best outside shooter in the class % wise, C- makes him unusable. Passing should be very high coming in. Low strength/jumping, high steals, per d. Not great on the glass but 3-4 a game at D+ seems fair.
Sam Perkins PF 6'9'' 255 23 B- B- C B- B- C Very polished but not really great at anything kind of guy as a pro. Should have high handling but low passing. Will likely end up a swing player backing up multiple positions without tc help but thats kinda what he was as a pro.
Sam Bowie C 7'1'' 263 23 B- C- C B B- A Ideal candidate for boom or bust status based on what TC decides. Potential was there coming out, he was just raw. High shot blocking fits, let tc decide if he develops offensively and on the glass. I'd put potential into the mid-high 90s.
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Post by Pepe Silvia on Feb 20, 2024 9:25:31 GMT -6
I don't envy John in building this class with so many legends and not wanting to tip the balance of the league based just on one draft.
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Post by jupee on Feb 20, 2024 11:19:17 GMT -6
Why Stockton low strenght? He was very strong
annnd have in mind we do not do A's for draft
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Post by John1974 on Feb 20, 2024 11:28:57 GMT -6
We dont do A here. Just b+ as highest.
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Post by lionsbryan on Feb 20, 2024 11:41:28 GMT -6
I like thesmooth's ratings a lot. I think right around there makes it one of the best draft classes ever while also staying in the realm of the rookie ratings we're used to. A couple of other things I would lower though on top of thesmooth's recommendations:
- I think Barkley should be: Charles Barkley PF 6'6'' 252 21 B C- C B B+ A
- Wilt should be toned down a little if he's going to be 18 and have 90s potential, unless we want an A+ inside / A+ defense / A+ rebounding guy in the league. Maybe this would be better? Wilt Chamberlain C 7'1'' 275 18 B C- C B B A
- I think Stockton should be: John Stockton PG 6'1'' 175 22 C C+ B+ B+ D A
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Post by Pepe Silvia on Feb 20, 2024 11:48:36 GMT -6
We dont do A here. Just b+ as highest. Why Stockton low strenght? He was very strong annnd have in mind we do not do A's for draft Then make anything above an A a B+, nbd Stockton's strength can only be so high and keep the D rebounding/C inside combo
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Post by John1974 on Feb 20, 2024 11:49:58 GMT -6
I will start to work on suggestions probably starting Thursday.
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Post by Kong on Feb 20, 2024 16:27:11 GMT -6
Wilt should have the highest possible inside no matter the age or potential especially considering inside usually goes down. Unless it is super high and then it is stays high. Either that or I always had the most terrible luck with inside for high potential players.
I would give Wilt B+ for inside (higher than what was given to Shaq. I have Wilt 1st and Shaq 2nd all time for inside) and D+ for outisde (same as Shaq).
And for the rest I like his grades honestly. You can argue that he starts with a low age but that can go both ways honestly. And it is not like he can go to D-League if he has one of the bad teen TCs.
Generally speaking, I think Hakeem is another goat big and he should be graded as suck but Wilt should be better.
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Post by John1974 on Feb 21, 2024 4:53:14 GMT -6
Wilt should have the highest possible inside no matter the age or potential especially considering inside usually goes down. Unless it is super high and then it is stays high. Either that or I always had the most terrible luck with inside for high potential players. I would give Wilt B+ for inside (higher than what was given to Shaq. I have Wilt 1st and Shaq 2nd all time for inside) and D+ for outisde (same as Shaq). And for the rest I like his grades honestly. You can argue that he starts with a low age but that can go both ways honestly. And it is not like he can go to D-League if he has one of the bad teen TCs. Generally speaking, I think Hakeem is another goat big and he should be graded as suck but Wilt should be better.
Grab a team then we can take your suggestions legitimately.
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Post by John1974 on Feb 27, 2024 12:37:42 GMT -6
edits done to here.
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Post by Keyser Soze on Feb 27, 2024 22:39:10 GMT -6
Maxwell Newton was an Australian journalist. Not a basketball player.
All fakes -
Maxwell Newton Jarrett Hobson Luke Friedman Kareem Calinoff Thomas Mokray Jake Keaney Shane Scott Jerry Hiscock Troy Davis Bill Bogues Andre Liszkiewicz Jake Nielson Landon Davies Larry Allman Victor Watts Chad Beckman Jake Mikell James Bing Sam Tsakalidis Ed Billups Jamie McCoy Levi Omeara Skyler Gordon George Bunn Henry Wolkowyski Manuel Lenard Cameron Cronin Craig Anthony Peter Perdue Alexis Tobey Sean Pack Etan McKey Scott Jordan Landon Ahye Michael Fabrizio Brennan Tobey Wesley Enright
Also Tim McCormick has a B+ inside rating. He is a career 8.3 PPG scorer. Career High was 12.8 PPG. We should probably lower the B+ to a B- inside.
Charles Jones as well. We got him at B inside. He's a career 2.5 PPG scorer. I'd drop him to C+
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Post by Pepe Silvia on Feb 28, 2024 6:12:01 GMT -6
Wilt having a higher outside grade that Hakeem is pretty criminal. Wilt should be in the D's, he did nothing outside of the paint and was awful at the line.
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Post by Pepe Silvia on Feb 28, 2024 7:43:06 GMT -6
Wilt having a higher outside grade that Hakeem is pretty criminal. Wilt should be in the D's, he did nothing outside of the paint and was awful at the line. To piggy back off of this, IMO Wilt should have the highest inside in the class (yes higher than Jordan) and he currently appears to be the lowest of the 4 B+ guys
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Post by John1974 on Feb 28, 2024 12:56:59 GMT -6
Wilt having a higher outside grade that Hakeem is pretty criminal. Wilt should be in the D's, he did nothing outside of the paint and was awful at the line. Wilts outside rating is 5. (other ratings make it look higher.)
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