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Post by John1974 on Feb 28, 2024 12:58:49 GMT -6
Wilt having a higher outside grade that Hakeem is pretty criminal. Wilt should be in the D's, he did nothing outside of the paint and was awful at the line. To piggy back off of this, IMO Wilt should have the highest inside in the class (yes higher than Jordan) and he currently appears to be the lowest of the 4 B+ guys Wilts inside is higher just shows 3 for some reason.
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Post by John1974 on Feb 28, 2024 12:59:05 GMT -6
Edits done to here.
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Post by Pepe Silvia on Feb 29, 2024 10:24:03 GMT -6
To piggy back off of this, IMO Wilt should have the highest inside in the class (yes higher than Jordan) and he currently appears to be the lowest of the 4 B+ guys Wilts inside is higher just shows 3 for some reason. I meant the combination of inside/strength/jumping that makes up the inside grade. Strength and jumping don't really grow, which if Wilt is low jumping that makes sense, but his strength should be top tier, like 80s-90s
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Post by jupee on Feb 29, 2024 10:39:22 GMT -6
Wilts inside is higher just shows 3 for some reason. I meant the combination of inside/strength/jumping that makes up the inside grade. Strength and jumping don't really grow, which if Wilt is low jumping that makes sense, but his strength should be top tier, like 80s-90s Talking about free throws, Wilt would jump and dunk it from the line - then basketball rules had to be changed. So no, his jumping should be high as well. While outside grade is 3PT shot and jumpshot combined - since Wilt had none of both, I agree it should be in "D" territory. Maybe even F.
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Post by Pepe Silvia on Feb 29, 2024 10:43:39 GMT -6
I meant the combination of inside/strength/jumping that makes up the inside grade. Strength and jumping don't really grow, which if Wilt is low jumping that makes sense, but his strength should be top tier, like 80s-90s Talking about free throws, Wilt would jump and dunk it from the line - then basketball rules had to be changed. So no, his jumping should be high as well. While outside grade is 3PT shot and jumpshot combined - since Wilt had none of both, I agree it should be in "D" territory. Maybe even F. Well all 3 being high will push him well past B+
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Post by jupee on Feb 29, 2024 10:52:30 GMT -6
Talking about free throws, Wilt would jump and dunk it from the line - then basketball rules had to be changed. So no, his jumping should be high as well. While outside grade is 3PT shot and jumpshot combined - since Wilt had none of both, I agree it should be in "D" territory. Maybe even F. Well all 3 being high will push him well past B+ So make inside a bit lower :>
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Post by Pepe Silvia on Feb 29, 2024 11:13:48 GMT -6
Well all 3 being high will push him well past B+ So make inside a bit lower :> inside scoring is by far the most important, and he's probably the most dominant inside scorer in basketball history
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Post by jupee on Feb 29, 2024 11:20:19 GMT -6
So make inside a bit lower :> inside scoring is by far the most important, and he's probably the most dominant inside scorer in basketball history True :< but he has chance grow into it, right?
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Post by Kong on Feb 29, 2024 11:34:36 GMT -6
inside scoring is by far the most important, and he's probably the most dominant inside scorer in basketball history True :< but he has chance grow into it, right?
I would say he has better chance of getting worse than better, lol. Potential just doesn't do much for inside and for strength zero. I mean, look at Kareem. Everyone is laughing at him and moving him around. And even Shaq got his inside down in his first Season.
Fact is good D-League bigs have a much better chance of becoming inside forces getting 5-9 inside points per Season to go with a better starting strength. Like, is Shaq going to be better than Traylor? I doubt it, lol. 3 out of 4 All-Star East bigs came out of D-League for instance. And for the rest 2 came from the inaugural draft 10+ Seasons ago.
Wilt should 100% start with an elite inside grade.
And Jordan also should start with better handles than in ITP6 if he is suppose to dominate. I mean, ITP6 rookie Jordan had 41 handles, lol, which makes sense if it wasn't for other guards that also had high career turnovers starting with high handles.
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Post by Keyser Soze on Feb 29, 2024 11:53:51 GMT -6
True :< but he has chance grow into it, right? I would say he has better chance of getting worse than better, lol. Potential just doesn't do much for inside and for strength zero. I mean, look at Kareem. Everyone is laughing at him and moving him around. And even Shaq got his inside down in his first Season. Fact is good D-League bigs have a much better chance of becoming inside forces getting 5-9 inside points per Season to go with a better starting strength. Like, is Shaq going to be better than Traylor? I doubt it, lol. 3 out of 4 All-Star East bigs came out of D-League for instance. And for the rest 2 came from the inaugural draft 10+ Seasons ago.
Wilt should 100% start with an elite inside grade. And Jordan also should start with better handles than in ITP6 if he is suppose to dominate. I mean, ITP6 rookie Jordan had 41 handles, lol, which makes sense if it wasn't for other guards that also had high career turnovers starting with high handles.
You think Shaq will be worse than Traylor? He's got 3 more years of camping vs Traylors zero 86 potential vs Traylors 48 Which ties into this Chamberlain debate. He's got the 2nd highest A Potential + he's 18 years old. Giving him two cracks at the teen potential bump.
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Post by John1974 on Feb 29, 2024 12:02:28 GMT -6
I would say he has better chance of getting worse than better, lol. Potential just doesn't do much for inside and for strength zero. I mean, look at Kareem. Everyone is laughing at him and moving him around. And even Shaq got his inside down in his first Season. Fact is good D-League bigs have a much better chance of becoming inside forces getting 5-9 inside points per Season to go with a better starting strength. Like, is Shaq going to be better than Traylor? I doubt it, lol. 3 out of 4 All-Star East bigs came out of D-League for instance. And for the rest 2 came from the inaugural draft 10+ Seasons ago.
Wilt should 100% start with an elite inside grade. And Jordan also should start with better handles than in ITP6 if he is suppose to dominate. I mean, ITP6 rookie Jordan had 41 handles, lol, which makes sense if it wasn't for other guards that also had high career turnovers starting with high handles.
You think Shaq will be worse than Traylor? He's got 3 more years of camping vs Traylors zero 86 potential vs Traylors 48 Which ties into this Chamberlain debate. He's got the 2nd highest A Potential + he's 18 years old. Giving him two cracks at the teen potential bump. Also Grizz haven't camped Shaq. I sent a pm but if he doesn't by this season deadline I will.
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Post by Keyser Soze on Feb 29, 2024 12:13:49 GMT -6
I would say he has better chance of getting worse than better, lol. Potential just doesn't do much for inside and for strength zero. I mean, look at Kareem. Everyone is laughing at him and moving him around. And even Shaq got his inside down in his first Season. Fact is good D-League bigs have a much better chance of becoming inside forces getting 5-9 inside points per Season to go with a better starting strength. Like, is Shaq going to be better than Traylor? I doubt it, lol. 3 out of 4 All-Star East bigs came out of D-League for instance. And for the rest 2 came from the inaugural draft 10+ Seasons ago.
Wilt should 100% start with an elite inside grade. And Jordan also should start with better handles than in ITP6 if he is suppose to dominate. I mean, ITP6 rookie Jordan had 41 handles, lol, which makes sense if it wasn't for other guards that also had high career turnovers starting with high handles.
You think Shaq will be worse than Traylor? He's got 3 more years of camping vs Traylors zero 86 potential vs Traylors 48 Which ties into this Chamberlain debate. He's got the 2nd highest A Potential + he's 18 years old. Giving him two cracks at the teen potential bump. Another thing I wanted to add. You mentioned Kareem Abdul Jabbar. He's been passed around due to his low field goal percentage. Similar to Traylors 42.8 %. Shaqs over 46 % as a rookie. Who apparently hasn't even been camped yet. With a shitload of potential left. You really don't believe Traylor is gonna be better than Shaq right Kong ?
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Post by Kong on Feb 29, 2024 12:18:05 GMT -6
Potential has little effect on bigs skills. You got 2 big inside skills. Inside and Strength.
Strength is not affected by high potential.
Inside goes down for bigs more times than it goes up even with high potential at least from my experience. Shaq for instance had B+ before entering last TC. He now has a B.
Kareem started with B+ and maybe his inside went up some maybe a bit via camp haven't checked but his strength is now of 69.
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Post by Kong on Feb 29, 2024 12:20:16 GMT -6
I have no idea why Traylor is shooting so low fg% but I mean he has 83 inside and 87 strength. Shaq has 66 inside and 84 strength. So maybe he can get to those 2 values but I bet it would be hard.
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Post by Keyser Soze on Feb 29, 2024 12:23:34 GMT -6
Potential has little effect on bigs skills. You got 2 big inside skills. Inside and Strength. Strength is not affected by high potential. Inside goes down for bigs more times than it goes up even with high potential at least from my experience. Shaq for instance had B+ before entering last TC. He now has a B. Kareem started with B+ and maybe his inside went up some maybe a bit via camp haven't checked but his strength is now of 69. You don't think rebounding and shot blocking are a big man skill? He's already DPOTY caliber in those ratings. As for the strength/jumping he doesn't really need more improvement there: 84 strength 63 jumping. With those ratings and a camped inside scoring. And I'm gonna assume 86 potential will help his inside scoring at some point. Put all that together + the preexisting rebounding/ shot blocking. Shaq is gonna be a superstar Kong.
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Post by Kong on Feb 29, 2024 12:29:35 GMT -6
Wilt started in Itp6 with 74 strength I think based on roster file. He should start at least with a 85. And he is too good in general then decrease him in some other categories. That's all I say.
And Jordan I would give him some more handles too because handles = turnovers and I would agree with that but in here handles for guards are treated more like the conception of someone that will handle or whatever. So I would make him some better than 40. See if he gets closer to a Jordan that can make a difference unlike Itp6 Jordan.
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Post by Keyser Soze on Feb 29, 2024 12:38:02 GMT -6
Wilt started in Itp6 with 74 strength I think based on roster file. He should start at least with a 85. And he is too good in general then decrease him in some other categories. That's all I say. And Jordan I would give him some more handles too because handles = turnovers and I would agree with that but in here handles for guards are treated more like the conception of someone that will handle or whatever. So I would make him some better than 40. See if he gets closer to a Jordan that can make a difference unlike Itp6 Jordan. Jordan in itp6 couldn't make a difference? In his peak he was a 30 PPG scorer and A+ defender. And in this version he's starting off with nearly a full level grade higher in Outside Scoring. Look at them Kong. Michael Jordan and Wilt Chamberlain are gonna be fine. So when you takeover whichever proxy team wins the lottery, it's gonna be OK Kong. You're gonna get a superstar.
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Post by Kong on Feb 29, 2024 13:09:21 GMT -6
Itp6 Jordan made it to only 5 all-stars and 2 all-league first teams in 13 Seasons.
As for Wilt, he should get that higher strength because he might be getting lower strength with the idea of high potential increasing it except potential doesn't affect strength. Like nothing at all. Maybe low potential gets strength down but high potential doesn't get strength up.
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Post by Keyser Soze on Feb 29, 2024 13:20:20 GMT -6
Could that be because the league as a whole was inflated? He was averaging 30 PPG and he wasn't even top 10 in the league in scoring. Could it be because he was sharing the ball with a 35 PPG scorer in John Wall? Let's add context Kong It's not that Michael Jordan wasn't good enough. It was that everybody else was too damn good. Nick Young was scoring 45-50 PPG. Remember? Obviously that's gonna make 30 PPG and A+ defense seen miniscule. But it's not. That's real fucking good. And in today's current league landscape that becomes one of the best players in the league. That becomes a perennial all league 1st Teamer. Let alone an all-star. So if we're gonna make statements let's at least add all the details to it.
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Post by Kong on Feb 29, 2024 13:24:55 GMT -6
Itp6 Jordan wasn't that good. He started with a 100 jumping. Him not being that good was the only reason why I could trade Hakeem for him then.
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