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Post by John1974 on Jul 29, 2009 13:40:16 GMT -6
Currenlty whats in place for a fine for being over the hardcap is.
250.00 cash
upcoming 2nd round pick, if you traded that 2nd round pick you would lose the next 1st rounder you have remaining.
I like he fine system however someone could just pay the fine and stay over the cap if they wanted too, or a team could have a hard time making a trade to get back under. While a team shouldnt be in this position in the 1st place, and I dont want to make it easy on the fine wise I think we need to figure something out for what happens if the team gets fined and is still over the cap by the next sim.
So any ideas are welcome.
some ideas I have so far
1.let the team over the cap make a free cut. (But I think this is more of a reward than a penalty which the hardcap is meant to be.)
2. give them one week after the fine to fix the problem then fine them again. this time they would lose another 250, and the next 1st round pick they have. (kinda harsh though)
any other ideas.
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Post by New York Knicks on Jul 29, 2009 13:44:56 GMT -6
Yeah the first option is kinda friendly, and the second option is harsh. So how bout we meet in the middle with you need to pay $200 (more or less) to make the cut to under hardcap?
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Post by legend on Jul 29, 2009 13:57:19 GMT -6
#2
Only the harshest punishment is fitting!!
Let's also tar and feather FDA everytime someone goes over the hardcap!
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Post by arrestinu on Jul 29, 2009 15:06:06 GMT -6
This is a slippery slope. There are teams that typically have a lot of GM cash on hand from lots of articles and player awards etc. A team in that situation can afford to ignore the hardcap, fly past it and just pay the $250. Losing a 2nd rounder seems irrelevant to many GM's. Whereas, a team that generally has a lower cash balance couldn't even consider topping the hardcap. There is a distinct disadvantage to those teams.
I'm in favor of the hardcap being "no go" territory. No contract should be allowed that would put you over the hardcap. I think that is the only way to really solve this issue.
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Post by New York Knicks on Jul 29, 2009 15:17:59 GMT -6
I think that's something we should consider in the off-season, but we gotta figure out a solution for right now. Let's say the Detroit Pistons win the 8 seed in the East, how would the 9 seed feel about losing to a team that illegally beat them? I hope the Pistons get some trade done before tomorrow.
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Post by arrestinu on Jul 29, 2009 15:47:12 GMT -6
I think that's something we should consider in the off-season, but we gotta figure out a solution for right now. Let's say the Detroit Pistons win the 8 seed in the East, how would the 9 seed feel about losing to a team that illegally beat them? I hope the Pistons get some trade done before tomorrow. I've offered to take the 2 guys he needs to unload to get under the cap.....but haven't heard back from him. |
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Post by legend on Jul 29, 2009 16:02:31 GMT -6
I agree it needs to be a severe punishment but John cannot be expected to keep up with every teams finances. If a contract puts someone over the hard cap thats easy to find but sitting there and adding up to see if every team can afford every contract would be a job.
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Post by arrestinu on Jul 29, 2009 16:44:23 GMT -6
I agree it needs to be a severe punishment but John cannot be expected to keep up with every teams finances. If a contract puts someone over the hard cap thats easy to find but sitting there and adding up to see if every team can afford every contract would be a job. I certainly understand that and agree with you there. I was thinking along the lines of: as soon as John notices a signing puts a team over the hardcap, he would just void the contract. I'm sure I'm oversimplifying though, since I have no idea what it takes to do that in the game. |
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Post by yourkers15 on Jul 29, 2009 16:50:31 GMT -6
I think if you do not get over it by first preseason game or first game of season you get fined $250 and a first rounder.
Than if they are not over they keep losing $250 and can not claim any cash till they are under. And if they are under and try to claim what they couldnt do to being over the hard cap they are still not allowed to collect it.
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Post by New York Knicks on Jul 29, 2009 17:09:58 GMT -6
What happens if it keeps piling up till like negative 1200?
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Post by don1955 on Jul 29, 2009 17:57:13 GMT -6
I think that's something we should consider in the off-season, but we gotta figure out a solution for right now. Let's say the Detroit Pistons win the 8 seed in the East, how would the 9 seed feel about losing to a team that illegally beat them? I hope the Pistons get some trade done before tomorrow. I've offered to take the 2 guys he needs to unload to get under the cap.....but haven't heard back from him. taking the 2 guys isnt going to solve his problem...after someone takes the 2 guys he will be only $436k under the hardcap, but then he needs 2 players back to get back to 12 and i dont believe he can sign 2 players at the league min. and stay under the cap, so he goes right back over...he is going to have to really do some trading to get under...either trade a bigger salaried player or really look for a couple of cheap $330k 2nd rounders on someones roster to aquire... also i figure whoever gets themselves into this mess has to suffer whatever comes along with it...no free rides... |
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Post by yourkers15 on Jul 29, 2009 21:23:52 GMT -6
What happens if it keeps piling up till like negative 1200? If it were to get that far I would think John would need to fire him. He is showing no desire to follow the rules so he would have no need to be here. Unless he shows he is trying hard to move the guys but no one bites it would just keep piling up. But it is really the person falt who is over the Cap. He should be paying attention to not just the present day of the team but also the future. You never want to run into these situations. |
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Post by joshbounds on Jul 29, 2009 21:54:35 GMT -6
I agree Youkers...
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Post by New York Knicks on Jul 29, 2009 21:56:56 GMT -6
Sure but mistakes happen, and maybe he can't be online a lot to fix those mistakes. Instead of firing him/fining him till he's in Mike Tyson debt, just do some sort of quick fix and move on.
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Post by New York Knicks on Jul 29, 2009 21:59:37 GMT -6
I've offered to take the 2 guys he needs to unload to get under the cap.....but haven't heard back from him. taking the 2 guys isnt going to solve his problem...after someone takes the 2 guys he will be only $436k under the hardcap, but then he needs 2 players back to get back to 12 and i dont believe he can sign 2 players at the league min. and stay under the cap, so he goes right back over...he is going to have to really do some trading to get under...either trade a bigger salaried player or really look for a couple of cheap $330k 2nd rounders on someones roster to aquire... also i figure whoever gets themselves into this mess has to suffer whatever comes along with it...no free rides... I can see a solution. Give Mario Brothers, Ken Johnson, McCloud, Davis, and Marc Wilson away. And replace them with 5 guys for the minimum 332k and that should put them under the hard cap. |
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Post by yourkers15 on Jul 29, 2009 22:12:58 GMT -6
Sure but mistakes happen, and maybe he can't be online a lot to fix those mistakes. Instead of firing him/fining him till he's in Mike Tyson debt, just do some sort of quick fix and move on. I really don't like the quick fix, because it gets people off the hook. If they got themselves in the situation they should have to find their way out. Unless we want to make like our own tax. Just like they have in the NBA. But we can do it with cash or say draft picks. I just think if their was a quick fix more people would just take the limited hit and then get the value they seek. Also people would just abuse the bird years and make sure they don't lose anyone because they will have the ability of the quick fix. |
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Post by yourkers15 on Jul 29, 2009 22:13:46 GMT -6
you can just call me Corey  |
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Post by New York Knicks on Jul 29, 2009 22:16:01 GMT -6
I think do the quick fix now, and never again. Then in the off-season take ArrestinU's idea of not allowing anyone to go over the hard cap EVER. Just pull off the band aid now learn our lessons and never do it again.
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Post by yourkers15 on Jul 29, 2009 22:21:53 GMT -6
I think do the quick fix now, and never again. Then in the off-season take ArrestinU's idea of not allowing anyone to go over the hard cap EVER. Just pull off the band aid now learn our lessons and never do it again. If it was a one and done thing then I say go with it if the league wants it. Also with never being able to go over I don't know if the game allows it. Maybe someone who has played awhile can answer that. I like the idea of never going over if possible because it still has the same principle of having to pay attention to your team as a whole. You just will lose the player instead of being able to sign him and putting your team over the hard cap. |
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Post by donrnets on Jul 30, 2009 8:23:32 GMT -6
If a team is over the hardcap at the start of the season . . .in that season they become inelgible for any GM cash awards (like MVP, 1st team, player of the week) any championship or Playoff position earned is voided. . . .by going over the Hard Cap they are not making the playing field uneven and should be inelgible for any rewards or recognition. . . Essentially, they are voiding their season by that act.
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