jupee
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Post by jupee on Mar 28, 2024 14:30:43 GMT -6
Since this season seem to be the time of endless suggestions and ideas, Ill share mine.
Well it's not mine, I saw it working well in other leagues. But the suggestion is regards the Hard Cap.
Every off-season, a team or two, due to careless bidding and ignoring the salary sheet, gets over the HC and have to be bailed out by someone (usually john is helping cause he proxy-gm few teams).
This is unfair to other GMs, cause in the end mr. big spender gets assets using money he did not actually had. I think HC is not in the game engine, but like FDA wrote few seasons ago, the solution could be quite simple: "After the bids are done and FA is simmed, the contract that puts you over the hard Cap is cancelled. And the player re-enters free agency."
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Post by Pepe Silvia on Mar 28, 2024 14:35:39 GMT -6
I agree with that
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Post by sapular on Mar 28, 2024 14:36:44 GMT -6
I genuinely like this idea
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Post by John1974 on Mar 28, 2024 14:38:26 GMT -6
maybe in future.
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Post by John1974 on Mar 28, 2024 20:06:13 GMT -6
My issue is this would create more work for me, and the way we do FA, sign to 12/15 trying to toss a player back in, or have a bidding war during I don't think it would as most or the couple teams that go over hard cap is usually last FA sim mostly.
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Post by Kong on Mar 28, 2024 20:21:37 GMT -6
Teams don't currently need to be under the Hard Cap according to Fa rules. It is a Luxury Cap rather than a Hard Cap. I mean, you have a luxury tax and a hard cap fine but you could count the fine as an extra tax sort of speaking.
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Post by jupee on Mar 29, 2024 2:54:56 GMT -6
My issue is this would create more work for me, and the way we do FA, sign to 12/15 trying to toss a player back in, or have a bidding war during I don't think it would as most or the couple teams that go over hard cap is usually last FA sim mostly. I agree it's few extra steps, on the other hand, you review hard caps and post warnings anyway. In FBB, it would be a simple change in player page from "team X" to "FA" instead of proceeding 1-2 trades (for "team X" to get out of hard cap) later on.
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Post by John1974 on Mar 29, 2024 6:06:58 GMT -6
Reviewing hard cap takes a couple seconds by just looking at the salary page.
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Post by jupee on Mar 29, 2024 9:54:59 GMT -6
Reviewing hard cap takes a couple seconds by just looking at the salary page. Exactly - so removing one player back to FA is few more seconds ^^
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Post by Kong on Mar 29, 2024 11:01:14 GMT -6
Reviewing hard cap takes a couple seconds by just looking at the salary page. Exactly - so removing one player back to FA is few more seconds ^^
But he needs to get into the game to put the player back in FA. Also, if you implement an actual Hard Cap you need to add cap holds every time as in number of players to get to 12 men roster * min salary (rookie min I suppose).
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Post by jupee on Mar 29, 2024 11:07:04 GMT -6
Exactly - so removing one player back to FA is few more seconds ^^
But he needs to get into the game to put the player back in FA. Also, if you implement an actual Hard Cap you need to add cap holds every time as in number of players to get to 12 men roster * min salary (rookie min I suppose).
All actions happen in game anyway ^^ Unsure what you mean by holds, everyone should be responsible for their own cap as it is now
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Post by Kong on Mar 29, 2024 11:17:08 GMT -6
But he needs to get into the game to put the player back in FA. Also, if you implement an actual Hard Cap you need to add cap holds every time as in number of players to get to 12 men roster * min salary (rookie min I suppose).
All actions happen in game anyway ^^ Unsure what you mean by holds, everyone should be responsible for their own cap as it is now
And for cap holds, say I have 4 players but with a total just under the hard cap. Then, you are over the hard cap depending on how you read it because you will need to sign players at some points that will put you over.
One thing you could implement are immediate penalties to Hard Cap rather than just warnings.
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Post by jupee on Mar 29, 2024 11:31:12 GMT -6
Yes but FA sim happens in game, so afterwards you can see cap situation there :> I doubt john ever goes to online pages
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Post by Keyser Soze on Mar 29, 2024 11:38:20 GMT -6
Sometimes you offer MLEs forgetting that the guy you gave an MLE to last year actually has Bird rights.
And what ends up happening is you sign two MLEs. One who's actually an MLE, and the other guy that has a regular 1 year/4.5 mil contract that you signed due to bird rights. Now you're at 104.5 Mil salary. You're over the hard Cap and you're getting fined for it. That seems excessive.
So I don't agree with penalizing people for innocent mistakes. I don't think we should be in the business of fucking people over. Instead you give them an undo button.
You calculated the cap wrong. You offered a max contract to a 10 year player, not realizing that number is not 26mil like it says in the FA rules, instead it's over 28mil like we've seen with those weird contracts. Whatever the reason is, mistakes happens. And a person goes over the hardcap accidently. Now they're trying to get under. They're getting fined for it. They're in a vulnerable State. Other GMs are asking for $2000 to take their 5mil salary guy off their hands.
It's like being strapped to a chair in a Saw movie. When we could just make it more peaceful and easier. Undo the FA (s) that put them over. The end.
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Post by Kong on Mar 29, 2024 11:42:35 GMT -6
But from a GM perspective, honestly don't mind this way or the other. And also don't really care if the Hard Cap is hard or semi hard or luxury. Just saying that implementing an actual Hard Cap has its complications.
One thing I will say though is that Clippers had it easy when they were bailed out from Edwards monster contract. Although he also probably thought Max was something different from what he ended up offering.
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Post by Keyser Soze on Mar 29, 2024 11:48:26 GMT -6
But from a GM perspective, honestly don't mind this way or the other. And also don't really care if the Hard Cap is hard or semi hard or luxury. Just saying that implementing an actual Hard Cap has its complications. One thing I will say though is that Clippers had it easy when they were bailed out from Edwards monster contract. Although he also probably thought Max was something different from what he ended up offering.
That's what she said
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Post by Kong on Mar 29, 2024 12:10:32 GMT -6
Also to consider, if players re-enter FA they can only technically do it after FA1. Not FA2 I mean. Because you got FA1, FA2, and Final Fa and a re-entered FA1 player would go to Final Fa.
Either that or Fa results would need to be posted with players already re-entered and pages updated so all bids for next day are with the updated list.
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Post by lionsbryan on Mar 29, 2024 12:20:24 GMT -6
I think an issue with giving teams what would essentially be an amnesty cut on signings going over HC is it would promote teams being ultra-aggressive in the final days of FA. This would most certainly be a benefit to good teams who are up against HC issues, and a detriment to large cap space teams who are trying to build in FA. This is a make the rich richer and the poor poorer kind of thing and I almost never like those.
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Post by Keyser Soze on Mar 29, 2024 12:30:13 GMT -6
Not necessarily. If you say "fuck the hard Cap" and go ultra aggressive on the last free agent day. It might not benefit you.
Because let's say you're at 98 mil. And you sign 4 league minimum free agents.
In chronological order:
1. Marcus Camby 2. Reece Gaines 3. Nico Mannion 4. Roy Rogers
You're now at 102 mil. And 2 mil (2 players) must be cleared.
Guess what happens? You don't get Rogers. You don't get Nico. You get Gaines and Camby. Because that's who signed first. And you get who signed first. There's no choice in it. So you could also argue being a little more conservative and selective might be the smarter play.
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Post by jupee on Mar 29, 2024 12:47:08 GMT -6
I think an issue with giving teams what would essentially be an amnesty cut on signings going over HC is it would promote teams being ultra-aggressive in the final days of FA. This would most certainly be a benefit to good teams who are up against HC issues, and a detriment to large cap space teams who are trying to build in FA. This is a make the rich richer and the poor poorer kind of thing and I almost never like those. Its actually the other way round - they now get those players and use em' to get some other (cheaper) assets
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