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Post by bluechips23 on Dec 8, 2014 18:18:55 GMT -6
I just took a look at the Jazz historical performance. .500 with 1 playoff appearance. LOL! What makes you think you're some sort of talent evaluating magician with that track record? good job, you can add 3 years of win/losses up. 3 years into a restart and you try to use that as an insult. newsflash, i didnt get kareem so i traded to go young because no way were the rockets losing in the first few years.
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Post by stork15 on Dec 8, 2014 18:20:06 GMT -6
That should tell you something about players taken around pick #9...they're probably not all that great. The only rating JRich has that is reasonably good is probably his jumping.
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Post by stork15 on Dec 8, 2014 18:21:38 GMT -6
I just took a look at the Jazz historical performance. .500 with 1 playoff appearance. LOL! What makes you think you're some sort of talent evaluating magician with that track record? good job, you can add 3 years of win/losses up. 3 years into a restart and you try to use that as an insult. newsflash, i didnt get kareem so i traded to go young because no way were the rockets losing in the first few years. I'm not insulting you, I'm just using the evidence that we have to show that you aren't as good as you think you are. Literally everyone disagrees with you, but you still feel the need to throw around personal attacks like 15 year old.
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Post by bluechips23 on Dec 8, 2014 18:22:33 GMT -6
That should tell you something about players taken around pick #9...they're probably not all that great. The only rating JRich has that is reasonably good is probably his jumping. no, actually all classes are different. AND you shouldve actually looked at bowie and divacs numerical ratings before you jumped the gun on your trade.. Or at the LEAST, wait till training camp and actually see what you have in jrich.
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Post by jlafavor on Dec 8, 2014 18:22:38 GMT -6
That should tell you something about players taken around pick #9...they're probably not all that great. The only rating JRich has that is reasonably good is probably his jumping. he probably has a decent jumpshot/3p, it could heavily favor one over the other, but if they are both solid he could develop okay. B- defense at SF is nothing special though and would need a lot of defense work/TC luck. if he has high potential he could turn out to be alright, but hard to say.
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Post by stork15 on Dec 8, 2014 18:25:28 GMT -6
That should tell you something about players taken around pick #9...they're probably not all that great. The only rating JRich has that is reasonably good is probably his jumping. no, actually all classes are different. AND you shouldve actually looked at bowie and divacs numerical ratings before you jumped the gun on your trade.. Or at the LEAST, wait till training camp and actually see what you have in jrich. I did look at their numerical ratings, and he couldn't wait until after TC because of the hardcap.
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Post by bluechips23 on Dec 8, 2014 18:26:05 GMT -6
good job, you can add 3 years of win/losses up. 3 years into a restart and you try to use that as an insult. newsflash, i didnt get kareem so i traded to go young because no way were the rockets losing in the first few years. I'm not insulting you, I'm just using the evidence that we have to show that you aren't as good as you think you are. Literally everyone disagrees with you, but you still feel the need to throw around personal attacks like 15 year old. a win loss record of 3 years means nothing. i dont understand why you cant understand that. Like about 6 other teams saw they werent going to win with the league draft, so we DECIDED to trade and slow build, meaning we were LOOKING for a high draft pick n not a playoff spot. and I got Hakeem for it. so it was actually smart. Hence this little barb you are trying to throw is not only inaccurate but is evidence to the contrary of your intended GM skill insult.
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Post by stork15 on Dec 8, 2014 18:26:25 GMT -6
That should tell you something about players taken around pick #9...they're probably not all that great. The only rating JRich has that is reasonably good is probably his jumping. he probably has a decent jumpshot/3p, it could heavily favor one over the other, but if they are both solid he could develop okay. B- defense at SF is nothing special though and would need a lot of defense work/TC luck. if he has high potential he could turn out to be alright, but hard to say. Yeah I'm not sure that he's going to be a career bench player or anything, but Jazz is making it sound like I traded away the next coming of Jesus. JRich is an ok prospect. So is Bowie though.
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Post by stork15 on Dec 8, 2014 18:27:46 GMT -6
I'm not insulting you, I'm just using the evidence that we have to show that you aren't as good as you think you are. Literally everyone disagrees with you, but you still feel the need to throw around personal attacks like 15 year old. a win loss record of 3 years means nothing. i dont understand why you cant understand that. Like about 6 other teams saw they werent going to win with the league draft, so we DECIDED to trade and slow build, meaning we were LOOKING for a high draft pick n not a playoff spot. and I got Hakeem for it. so it was actually smart. Hence this little barb you are trying to throw is not only inaccurate but is evidence to the contrary of your intended GM skill insult. I understand, it takes skill to win right off the bat in any league but anyone can sit around collecting lottery picks and get good eventually. Congrats I guess. btw where can I get your crystal ball? I've always wanted one.
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Post by aceman034 on Dec 8, 2014 18:29:31 GMT -6
Man. Let me tell you. I'm only going to say this once, coming from an original ITPer (yeah I was in the league before most of you knew how to type)....
You guys sure know how to make people want to make trades. Just wow.
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Post by bluechips23 on Dec 8, 2014 18:35:52 GMT -6
a win loss record of 3 years means nothing. i dont understand why you cant understand that. Like about 6 other teams saw they werent going to win with the league draft, so we DECIDED to trade and slow build, meaning we were LOOKING for a high draft pick n not a playoff spot. and I got Hakeem for it. so it was actually smart. Hence this little barb you are trying to throw is not only inaccurate but is evidence to the contrary of your intended GM skill insult. I understand, it takes skill to win right off the bat in any league but anyone can sit around collecting lottery picks and get good eventually. Congrats I guess. btw where can I get your crystal ball? I've always wanted one. no it really doesnt take skill but arguing sense with you on this league is pointless. the first 2 years are Kareems playground to do whatever he wants. the good gms knew it and went a different route. the only team that had a shot were the absolutely loaded kings and they couldnt even do it. so no it doesnt take skill to win early, it takes kareem. (nothing against Don as he built that entire squad). I wish you were here for the restart just to see you lose miserably attempting to compete. and i never said jrich was the next jordan, but keeping him and more importantly NOT TRADING FOR DIVAC was the obvious way to go. Notice how no one has said one good word about bowie or divac besides hux, theres plenty of reason for that. you made a terrible trade, with only good thing coming from it was clippers 80 pick which will not be even close to jrich in talent of player. With that said, good luck you will need it and good day.
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Post by bluechips23 on Dec 8, 2014 18:38:54 GMT -6
Man. Let me tell you. I'm only going to say this once, coming from an original ITPer (yeah I was in the league before most of you knew how to type).... You guys sure know how to make people want to make trades. Just wow. old school ITP owners UNITE! for the routine circle jerk!
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Post by gritter13 on Dec 8, 2014 18:50:04 GMT -6
I can see I need to break this down for you further. The Cavs also received 3 first round picks, and while I know you have a crystal ball that states all of those picks will be garbage, they still have value. I just traded the #21 pick in this last draft for $150. I don't think anyone would have paid me that amount for my pick during the season last year. He is also getting Sam Bowie, as they both agreed that will be part of a follow-up trade. Also, he didn't get them out of any hard cap issues, the 76ers did that, not that his cap situation has any relevance to the trade. Do I like the Divac contract, nope, but to go on and on like the Cavs are not receiving any assets in return and that they are being hosed over in the trade is not right either. #1- your late pick only got money because this was one of the few classes that are extremely deep #2- those picks ARE worthless. but i see i need to explain that TO You. moses-drew-hardaway-anderson-jrich =/= valuable picks. the clippers 80 pick has a tiny shot of being a bit of worth but id bet not. #3- bowie is trash- 48 inside scoring, 66 post d, 50 blocking, 60s in rebounding, 50 jumping, 71 potential (after one TC). the only thing good about him is his jumpshot and 80 strength. #4- divac will NEED to be camped at EVERY chance just in an ATTEMPT to catch up to that salary so he can try to trade him in the future and get screwed in that trade because of the even more inflated contract. so instead of a new gm stepping into a team with perfect cap flexibility, some depth, and a good rookie continue to build with, he now has a meaningless max which he will have to pour money into for as long as he has divac, no depth, no top 10 rookie, but he does have 3 bad picks. and i dont need a crystal ball, you want to bet on the suns picks, pick an amount and i'll agree in a second they will be worth shit. VETO!!!!
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Post by don1955 on Dec 8, 2014 19:54:02 GMT -6
will this thread get a $5 bonus for discussion?...
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Post by greeme on Dec 8, 2014 20:16:03 GMT -6
a win loss record of 3 years means nothing. i dont understand why you cant understand that. Like about 6 other teams saw they werent going to win with the league draft, so we DECIDED to trade and slow build, meaning we were LOOKING for a high draft pick n not a playoff spot. and I got Hakeem for it. so it was actually smart. Hence this little barb you are trying to throw is not only inaccurate but is evidence to the contrary of your intended GM skill insult. I understand, it takes skill to win right off the bat in any league but anyone can sit around collecting lottery picks and get good eventually. Congrats I guess. btw where can I get your crystal ball? I've always wanted one. Lol
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Post by greeme on Dec 8, 2014 20:49:10 GMT -6
Cowchips should stick to messing up his own team Gifted love and hakeem he messed up his cap situation and now had to take a step backwards And of course it is funny that he is complaining about some bailing out the suns after be got bailed out
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Post by stork15 on Dec 8, 2014 22:01:57 GMT -6
lol @ cowchips - that's a good one.
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Post by ClauseIsAWarrior on Dec 8, 2014 23:27:40 GMT -6
Cowchips should stick to messing up his own team Gifted love and hakeem he messed up his cap situation and now had to take a step backwards And of course it is funny that he is complaining about some bailing out the suns after be got bailed out
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Post by John1974 on Dec 8, 2014 23:58:59 GMT -6
After tc this looks good for cavs.
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Post by greeme on Dec 9, 2014 0:09:51 GMT -6
After tc this looks good for cavs.
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