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Post by jlafavor on Dec 8, 2014 17:20:27 GMT -6
i take offense to that, the council are gm's who have been in the league for multiple iterations, care deeply about it, and are active daily on the boards. in fact, all six responses were posted to the council message within two hours of john sending us the message. if you want it public here was my response: you should take offense. the trade council is a joke. and your council response is a great example of the effort put into it by the gms so we should just reject every trade that bluechips himself wouldn't make because he is the utmost authority? just because my response wasn't long winded doesn't mean i didnt put thought into it.
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Post by bluechips23 on Dec 8, 2014 17:23:45 GMT -6
you should take offense. the trade council is a joke. and your council response is a great example of the effort put into it by the gms so we should just reject every trade that bluechips himself wouldn't make because he is the utmost authority? just because my response wasn't long winded doesn't mean i didnt put thought into it. long winded LMAO you gave zero reasoning and just deflected your vote to a complaint about me. good job A+ work. the SAD thing is most votes are probably the same thing, HALF ASSED votes with little to no reasoning or effort with spice of insults
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Post by AuldDawg on Dec 8, 2014 17:25:04 GMT -6
J-Rich>Divac...are you serious? Look, I'm not a fan of Divac (or his contract) but now you're just being ridiculous. (See ya in the Bet thread? ) who would you trade for, if you HAD to trade to get one of them. If I had to choose between one or the other? Depends on what my goal is. If it's to win as soon as possible then Divac hands down. If I'm the Warriors from two seasons ago, J-Rich.
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Post by jlafavor on Dec 8, 2014 17:25:33 GMT -6
they have intermittently been publicized, i dont think any of the members have shied away from publicizing their vote/opinion, they just may not always do it. so why not post the votes and reasoning? ? that is johns call, and honestly, he is busy and probably doesnt feel like posting a lengthy expose on the decision, he just wants to let everyone know the result. i will gladly give you my vote and reason for every single trade. i have said this before, but i dont like having a trade council at all. i understand that it is necessary to have because of some of the ridiculous trades (primarily surrounding new GM's and projected lottery picks) but i will almost always default to allowing a trade to pass. you may think that is not caring or whatever it is you are saying, but i want to let gm's run their teams.
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Post by jlafavor on Dec 8, 2014 17:26:29 GMT -6
so we should just reject every trade that bluechips himself wouldn't make because he is the utmost authority? just because my response wasn't long winded doesn't mean i didnt put thought into it. long winded LMAO you gave zero reasoning and just deflected your vote to a complaint about me. good job A+ work. the SAD thing is most votes are probably the same thing, HALF ASSED votes with little to no reasoning or effort with spice of insults well your veto was dumb, and i was at work on my break and didnt want to type a lot on my iphone.
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Post by jlafavor on Dec 8, 2014 17:26:49 GMT -6
hence the space being autocorrected in between blue and chips.
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Post by AuldDawg on Dec 8, 2014 17:30:03 GMT -6
they have intermittently been publicized, i dont think any of the members have shied away from publicizing their vote/opinion, they just may not always do it. Then either John (or someone appointed by him) should post the results, with quotes. Obviously the TC have voted as they did and, I assume, given reasons for their vote. They should be public. Pretty simple and easy to do.
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Post by bluechips23 on Dec 8, 2014 17:33:00 GMT -6
well if you are inclined to always pass trades, news flash, you shouldnt be on the council. neutrality should be #1 qualification for that job. I dont care where or when you posted. your vote shows how stupid the council is, and at this point you are RIGHT, we should just get rid of it. No trade gets vetoed, so why even have it. that would stop the right for "non elite" gms to even try to veto a trade to dumb council
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Post by gritter13 on Dec 8, 2014 17:34:12 GMT -6
i take offense to that, the council are gm's who have been in the league for multiple iterations, care deeply about it, and are active daily on the boards. in fact, all six responses were posted to the council message within two hours of john sending us the message. if you want it public here was my response: you should take offense. the trade council is a joke. and your council response is a great example of the effort put into it by the gms As Jason mentioned above, the trade council is not designed to review every trade to make sure its a fair deal for everyone. The trade council is there to do 2 things. 1. Protect the integrity of the league. 2. Protect newbie's from getting "taken advantage of" in a trade. I can honestly sit here and say that in my opinion, this trade doesn't do either of those things. You can criticize the trade council all you want, but I think you have a different impression of our role than what we are being asked to do. As I already said, we're not here to make sure every trade is a fair 50/50 trade. GMs need to be able to run their team the way they want, as long as the 2 premises I listed above are met.
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Post by bluechips23 on Dec 8, 2014 17:34:53 GMT -6
long winded LMAO you gave zero reasoning and just deflected your vote to a complaint about me. good job A+ work. the SAD thing is most votes are probably the same thing, HALF ASSED votes with little to no reasoning or effort with spice of insults well your veto was dumb, and i was at work on my break and didnt want to type a lot on my iphone. oh yeah, and go fuck yourself for insulting me because i actually put effort into the league. piece of shit
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Post by huxley on Dec 8, 2014 17:36:32 GMT -6
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Post by gritter13 on Dec 8, 2014 17:37:35 GMT -6
well your veto was dumb, and i was at work on my break and didnt want to type a lot on my iphone. oh yeah, and go fuck yourself for insulting me because i actually put effort into the league. piece of shit Easy there guys...let's take it down a notch. Don't start talking about getting insulted when you're the one that fired the first shot.
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Post by jlafavor on Dec 8, 2014 17:38:05 GMT -6
well your veto was dumb, and i was at work on my break and didnt want to type a lot on my iphone. oh yeah, and go fuck yourself for insulting me because i actually put effort into the league. piece of shit Well fuck you for telling me I don't care about the league. I am done with our conversation.
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Post by bluechips23 on Dec 8, 2014 17:38:57 GMT -6
you should take offense. the trade council is a joke. and your council response is a great example of the effort put into it by the gms As Jason mentioned above, the trade council is not designed to review every trade to make sure its a fair deal for everyone. The trade council is there to do 2 things. 1. Protect the integrity of the league. 2. Protect newbie's from getting "taken advantage of" in a trade. I can honestly sit here and say that in my opinion, this trade doesn't do either of those things. You can criticize the trade council all you want, but I think you have a different impression of our role than what we are being asked to do. As I already said, we're not here to make sure every trade is a fair 50/50 trade. GMs need to be able to run their team the way they want, as long as the 2 premises I listed above are met. Lazy. got it. Its not like a ton of trades go to council. this one was a new gm trading a top 10 rookie to a team over the hardcap, relieving them from the hardcap, and getting a role player on an escalating max contract. thats pretty much the definition of a hose job and what the council should be here for. but i see the council doesnt care so fuck it.
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Post by gritter13 on Dec 8, 2014 17:52:47 GMT -6
As Jason mentioned above, the trade council is not designed to review every trade to make sure its a fair deal for everyone. The trade council is there to do 2 things. 1. Protect the integrity of the league. 2. Protect newbie's from getting "taken advantage of" in a trade. I can honestly sit here and say that in my opinion, this trade doesn't do either of those things. You can criticize the trade council all you want, but I think you have a different impression of our role than what we are being asked to do. As I already said, we're not here to make sure every trade is a fair 50/50 trade. GMs need to be able to run their team the way they want, as long as the 2 premises I listed above are met. Lazy. got it. Its not like a ton of trades go to council. this one was a new gm trading a top 10 rookie to a team over the hardcap, relieving them from the hardcap, and getting a role player on an escalating max contract. thats pretty much the definition of a hose job and what the council should be here for. but i see the council doesnt care so fuck it. I can see I need to break this down for you further. The Cavs also received 3 first round picks, and while I know you have a crystal ball that states all of those picks will be garbage, they still have value. I just traded the #21 pick in this last draft for $150. I don't think anyone would have paid me that amount for my pick during the season last year. He is also getting Sam Bowie, as they both agreed that will be part of a follow-up trade. Also, he didn't get them out of any hard cap issues, the 76ers did that, not that his cap situation has any relevance to the trade. Do I like the Divac contract, nope, but to go on and on like the Cavs are not receiving any assets in return and that they are being hosed over in the trade is not right either. If I was lazy would I have even taken the time to respond to your post. You may not like the role the council is supposed to play, but to take shots at the people taking the time to be on it and try to help the league out is way off base. This is John's league, and we are working together as the way he envisions the council to work, while voicing our opinions to help the league run as smooth as possible.
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Post by bluechips23 on Dec 8, 2014 18:10:58 GMT -6
Lazy. got it. Its not like a ton of trades go to council. this one was a new gm trading a top 10 rookie to a team over the hardcap, relieving them from the hardcap, and getting a role player on an escalating max contract. thats pretty much the definition of a hose job and what the council should be here for. but i see the council doesnt care so fuck it. I can see I need to break this down for you further. The Cavs also received 3 first round picks, and while I know you have a crystal ball that states all of those picks will be garbage, they still have value. I just traded the #21 pick in this last draft for $150. I don't think anyone would have paid me that amount for my pick during the season last year. He is also getting Sam Bowie, as they both agreed that will be part of a follow-up trade. Also, he didn't get them out of any hard cap issues, the 76ers did that, not that his cap situation has any relevance to the trade. Do I like the Divac contract, nope, but to go on and on like the Cavs are not receiving any assets in return and that they are being hosed over in the trade is not right either. #1- your late pick only got money because this was one of the few classes that are extremely deep #2- those picks ARE worthless. but i see i need to explain that TO You. moses-drew-hardaway-anderson-jrich =/= valuable picks. the clippers 80 pick has a tiny shot of being a bit of worth but id bet not. #3- bowie is trash- 48 inside scoring, 66 post d, 50 blocking, 60s in rebounding, 50 jumping, 71 potential (after one TC). the only thing good about him is his jumpshot and 80 strength. #4- divac will NEED to be camped at EVERY chance just in an ATTEMPT to catch up to that salary so he can try to trade him in the future and get screwed in that trade because of the even more inflated contract. so instead of a new gm stepping into a team with perfect cap flexibility, some depth, and a good rookie continue to build with, he now has a meaningless max which he will have to pour money into for as long as he has divac, no depth, no top 10 rookie, but he does have 3 bad picks. and i dont need a crystal ball, you want to bet on the suns picks, pick an amount and i'll agree in a second they will be worth shit.
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Post by stork15 on Dec 8, 2014 18:13:27 GMT -6
I can see I need to break this down for you further. The Cavs also received 3 first round picks, and while I know you have a crystal ball that states all of those picks will be garbage, they still have value. I just traded the #21 pick in this last draft for $150. I don't think anyone would have paid me that amount for my pick during the season last year. He is also getting Sam Bowie, as they both agreed that will be part of a follow-up trade. Also, he didn't get them out of any hard cap issues, the 76ers did that, not that his cap situation has any relevance to the trade. Do I like the Divac contract, nope, but to go on and on like the Cavs are not receiving any assets in return and that they are being hosed over in the trade is not right either. no top 10 rookie, Actually Bowie was a top 10 rookie, sooo...
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Post by bluechips23 on Dec 8, 2014 18:14:35 GMT -6
and calling jpflavor lazy for his vote n "reasoning" is a fact, not really firing the first shot, more like calling the sky blue
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Post by stork15 on Dec 8, 2014 18:15:03 GMT -6
I just took a look at the Jazz historical performance. .500 with 1 playoff appearance. LOL! What makes you think you're some sort of talent evaluating magician with that track record?
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Post by bluechips23 on Dec 8, 2014 18:15:50 GMT -6
Actually Bowie was a top 10 rookie, sooo... #3- bowie is trash- 48 inside scoring, 66 post d, 50 blocking, 60s in rebounding, 50 jumping, 71 potential (after one TC). the only thing good about him is his jumpshot and 80 strength.
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