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Post by jlafavor on May 6, 2010 12:50:22 GMT -6
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Post by jlafavor on May 6, 2010 12:55:34 GMT -6
Josh, you will be pleased to know that after the voting last year, i finally changed my mind and voted yes.
I was always on the fence but leaning yes every year, but when you take into account that he was older when the league started, and didnt get the extra camps, his numbers are more impressive. plus i do remember him being an impact player in the first couple seasons.
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Post by Doogie on May 6, 2010 14:35:33 GMT -6
no only two all star games not enough credentials
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Post by gritter13 on May 9, 2010 15:34:27 GMT -6
I've gone back and forth on this over the years, but I'm going yes from here on out.
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Post by yourkers15 on May 9, 2010 21:45:03 GMT -6
I have always voted yes and almost considered going no, but his numbers are just to hard to look over, and he was a big part of the Jazz's championship.
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Post by josh on May 9, 2010 23:26:49 GMT -6
I've been a consistent yes voter on King, and he gets my vote again...I'm thrilled that he's getting more love.
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Post by scarface132 on May 9, 2010 23:46:47 GMT -6
You also all should consider there was one year that a team ( I believe it was the Bucks) used him off the bench for whatever reason in the prime of his career. That lowered his overall stats, and averages, which were still pretty good in my book.
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Post by John1974 on May 10, 2010 9:22:49 GMT -6
I voted no again, and my reasons are out there on prior year votes.
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Post by arrestinu on May 10, 2010 10:25:26 GMT -6
I'm still a "no" vote. His numbers are no more impressive than Aguirre's, and actually less from what I see.
Also, he spent the exact same 4 years (1987-1990) on the Bucks that Aguirre did, yet Aguirre gets knocked for getting stats on bad Bucks teams.
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Post by josh on May 10, 2010 13:52:40 GMT -6
I'm still a "no" vote. His numbers are no more impressive than Aguirre's, and actually less from what I see. Also, he spent the exact same 4 years (1987-1990) on the Bucks that Aguirre did, yet Aguirre gets knocked for getting stats on bad Bucks teams. Aguirre was never an integral part of a great team. Bernard King was an integral part of the 1984 Utah team that won a title, and the 1985 Utah team that was the West #1 seed and ITP finalists. There were few SGs out there that were consistently better than King, and he did it all without ever being camped. Aguirre had two inside camps and a defense camp over his career, King had none. Also, the one year that he came off the bench does hurt his numbers. He had a per 36 average that season of 22 points, 6.6 rebounds, 3.5 assists and 2.1 steals. Since King averaged exactly 36 minutes per game for his career, if he had played 36 minutes that season, his career averages jump from 23.1 ppg to 23.8, and he still did all of this at an impressive 49% FG and 87% FT career clip. King was definitely one of the most effective scorers in the league, and the fact that he did it all without camps makes that even more amazing.
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Post by jlafavor on May 10, 2010 14:11:04 GMT -6
I'm still a "no" vote. His numbers are no more impressive than Aguirre's, and actually less from what I see. Also, he spent the exact same 4 years (1987-1990) on the Bucks that Aguirre did, yet Aguirre gets knocked for getting stats on bad Bucks teams. im not voting for king because of stats, i voted because of the impact he had during the first two seasons. he was the best player on back to back finals teams, scoring 27 ppg which was 6th best in the league, when we didnt have teams raking up 120+ ppg
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Post by Doogie on May 10, 2010 15:22:31 GMT -6
so because he had two good seasons he gets HOF?
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Post by josh on May 10, 2010 15:26:33 GMT -6
so because he had two good seasons he gets HOF? He didn't just have two good seasons...7 out of 8 seasons were over 20ppg, 4 were over 24ppg, and for two seasons he was the 2nd best SG in the league behind Jordan. This is also overlooking other little things like the fact that his 59 point game in 1984 stood as a league record until 1988, his career FG% of 49, his 87% FT, the fact that he rebounded well for the position, averaging 6.1rpg for his career and the fact that he was never camped. THAT'S why he should be in the HOF
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Post by Doogie on May 10, 2010 15:32:11 GMT -6
Well I am not stating a case for him not to get it because of that. Its a good case for what you said but i was just asking about this....
i voted because of the impact he had during the first two seasons
....is all was just asking him if he thought two good seasons made him a hall of famer cause if thats the case then a ton more should be in
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Post by jlafavor on May 10, 2010 16:54:04 GMT -6
Well I am not stating a case for him not to get it because of that. Its a good case for what you said but i was just asking about this.... i voted because of the impact he had during the first two seasons ....is all was just asking him if he thought two good seasons made him a hall of famer cause if thats the case then a ton more should be in it takes more than just two seasons. my vote had been no for the last 4 years, and i was always on the fence, but he was great for the first two seasons, and good the rest of his career. he was also 28 when the league started, so he was at a disadvantage in that respect, but still played enough games to be hall eligible.
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Post by Doogie on May 10, 2010 16:58:23 GMT -6
true true.... i was just wondering since i wasnt around back then to know thats cool
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Post by Doogie on May 10, 2010 16:59:33 GMT -6
oh and btw when focusing on HOF like you said he was 28 when the league started. then do you go off what he did in stats in previous years before the league started?
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Post by jlafavor on May 10, 2010 19:55:26 GMT -6
oh and btw when focusing on HOF like you said he was 28 when the league started. then do you go off what he did in stats in previous years before the league started? no, i do not take any NBA stats into account.
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Post by Doogie on May 10, 2010 20:09:12 GMT -6
ok
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Post by voker84 on May 10, 2010 21:05:37 GMT -6
I've voted no in the past and still am this season. Had a few great scoring seasons but didn't see anything else he consistently did well.
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