mcgrady4mvp2
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Post by mcgrady4mvp2 on Apr 4, 2024 21:33:42 GMT -6
Wizards Receive Kobe Bryant $1000
Knicks Receive Anthony Davis
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Post by Keyser Soze on Apr 4, 2024 21:38:15 GMT -6
Knicks Accept
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Post by John1974 on Apr 4, 2024 22:54:37 GMT -6
Dumb.
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Post by John1974 on Apr 4, 2024 22:55:14 GMT -6
Especially for proxy team.
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Post by beatonz on Apr 4, 2024 23:18:52 GMT -6
Meh, value wise this is fine (Kobe is an all league all defensive player - not many players can claim this HE IS A TOP PLAYER). From a standpoint of the wizards and where they are in their rebuild? Doesn’t make much sense.
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Post by jupee on Apr 4, 2024 23:39:29 GMT -6
how Rudy got to NYK? Cause McGrady traded his first rounder to NYK for old McGiannis on terrible, terrible contract. To a team that was supposed to be tanking that year. Now history repeats itself I guess yeah Kobe is much better value than McGiannis was, but man, you NEVER gonna lift Wizards from the bottom if you keep trading young, generational talents for win-now (or win-yesterday lol) players.
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Post by Pepe Silvia on Apr 5, 2024 6:08:28 GMT -6
Meh, value wise this is fine (Kobe is an all league all defensive player - not many players can claim this HE IS A TOP PLAYER). From a standpoint of the wizards and where they are in their rebuild? Doesn’t make much sense. Agreed with this. The Knicks obviously did this for salary purposes because they're going to have to re-sign Fesenko and Rudy. Kobe for 1.1 isn't a lopsided trade as Kobe is essentially best case for 1.1 and he's only 26 next season. I don't get why the Wizards would do this as they could potentially have AD locked up at a low number for 5 seasons, and they have 2 awful salaries on the books currently and will be capped out unless they pay to shorten Hughes or Beaty.
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Post by mcgrady4mvp2 on Apr 5, 2024 6:26:19 GMT -6
Meh, value wise this is fine (Kobe is an all league all defensive player - not many players can claim this HE IS A TOP PLAYER). From a standpoint of the wizards and where they are in their rebuild? Doesn’t make much sense. Agreed with this. The Knicks obviously did this for salary purposes because they're going to have to re-sign Fesenko and Rudy. Kobe for 1.1 isn't a lopsided trade as Kobe is essentially best case for 1.1 and he's only 26 next season. I don't get why the Wizards would do this as they could potentially have AD locked up at a low number for 5 seasons, and they have 2 awful salaries on the books currently and will be capped out unless they pay to shorten Hughes or Beaty. I appreciate everyone concern! I got this though!
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Post by mcgrady4mvp2 on Apr 5, 2024 6:28:23 GMT -6
Wizards are thrilled to welcome Kobe!
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Post by Keyser Soze on Apr 5, 2024 6:50:55 GMT -6
I think he already bought out Hughes Pepe SilviaI’ll say this about mcgrady4mvp2 I’ll always thought he was crazy. I thought all his past Clipper trades were stupid. But it looks like I was the stupid one. Because I’m looking at him now and he’s the #1 seed in the West. It’s like he’s got this way of sneaking up on you. He’s very untraditional. Like a knuckleballer mixed with a transgender. But his methods seem to work. With that said I owe him an apology for the past. I’m sorry McGrady.
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Post by majic44 on Apr 5, 2024 7:06:32 GMT -6
The trade itself, and the value, are whatever to me. Its the process and logic that make no sense.
First off, why would you not shop the #1 overall pick if you are looking to trading it? Making this trade a few hours after getting it seems short sighted. Sure, maybe Kobe is the best that you would have been offered, but why not test the market and see what others were willing to offer? I know I made an inquire on the pick and never even heard back.
The player and contract just seem like a weird fit as the Wizards ae devoid of talent. Having cap space is no guarantee that you can find good players and trades can be difficult if you don't have the bigger salaries to match. Just seems hard to understand how the Wizards will get 3-4 more good players to make the team good during Kobe's "cheaper" years before another supermax.
But, as FDA pointed out, maybe there is a plan and it works out. Just hard to see it right now.
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Post by lionsbryan on Apr 5, 2024 7:16:02 GMT -6
Davis is cool if you like Cs who shoot a lot of perimeter shots at 30%.
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Post by jupee on Apr 5, 2024 7:18:35 GMT -6
But his methods seem to work. Not with Wizards tho. If LAC is constantly up and down, Wizards missed playoffs 6 out of last 7 seasons, does not seem to end this drought soon, and will still have almost no talent to develop now. That's the worst proxied team in this iteration if you ask me.
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Post by klomper24 on Apr 5, 2024 7:41:15 GMT -6
I'm going to throw a veto out. This is very anti-proxy team. This is exactly what we're not supposed to be doing with a proxy team.
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Post by lionsbryan on Apr 5, 2024 7:58:09 GMT -6
I'm going to throw a veto out. This is very anti-proxy team. This is exactly what we're not supposed to be doing with a proxy team. How much better should the veteran player have to be over the prospect for a deal like this to be okay? Because this here is a 26 year old top-10 player for a rookie who I'm not even sure should have gone #1.
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Post by Keyser Soze on Apr 5, 2024 8:04:19 GMT -6
But is that the determining factor? Whether it makes sense for a proxy team? Or is it whether the deal is fair or not? We had a similar situation with the Kareem trade. insidethepaint.proboards.com/thread/40968/jazz-raptorsI believe it’s important to be consistent which is why I’ll repeat exactly what I said about that trade. I don't think it's a veto worthy trade. But it sure as hell isn't a proxy team worthy trade. Proxy teams should probably hold on to their #2 overall picks. Since that is what attracts a new GM moreso than a max player. However, we had a supposed rule where proxy teams shouldn't trade their picks. We've trampled all over that rule. So cant draw the line now. And you liked my post klomper24 .We gotta be consistent.
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Post by klomper24 on Apr 5, 2024 8:08:41 GMT -6
It has nothing to do with the value. The value is fine. Honestly, could probably have gotten more for #1 in my opinion.
Veto because I believe that top 10 picks should not be traded away from proxy teams if we're trying to fill with GMs. There's a reason there has been (maybe still is) rules against it. Let alone under 30 wins.
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Post by beatonz on Apr 5, 2024 9:48:16 GMT -6
It has nothing to do with the value. The value is fine. Honestly, could probably have gotten more for #1 in my opinion. Veto because I believe that top 10 picks should not be traded away from proxy teams if we're trying to fill with GMs. There's a reason there has been (maybe still is) rules against it. Let alone under 30 wins. What about when you traded with the Pistons (proxy team at the time) for top ten pick (100 potential) Chet Walker? We can’t just start upholding standards when we feel like it.
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Post by Pepe Silvia on Apr 5, 2024 9:52:58 GMT -6
It has nothing to do with the value. The value is fine. Honestly, could probably have gotten more for #1 in my opinion. Veto because I believe that top 10 picks should not be traded away from proxy teams if we're trying to fill with GMs. There's a reason there has been (maybe still is) rules against it. Let alone under 30 wins. What about when you traded with the Pistons (proxy team at the time) for top ten pick (100 potential) Chet Walker? We can’t just start upholding standards when we feel like it. Exactly. It's funny you have the same thing happening a couple different times and people reacting differently based entirely on the way if affects them on an individual basis. You could institute a rule moving forward that all proxy trades involving a player that they've drafted in the top 20 or something like that.
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Post by beatonz on Apr 5, 2024 9:56:49 GMT -6
What about when you traded with the Pistons (proxy team at the time) for top ten pick (100 potential) Chet Walker? We can’t just start upholding standards when we feel like it. Exactly. It's funny you have the same thing happening a couple different times and people reacting differently based entirely on the way if affects them on an individual basis. You could institute a rule moving forward that all proxy trades involving a player that they've drafted in the top 20 or something like that. Or we just start using the trade council more often. I didn’t even know it existed honestly. If a proxy is trading a 1st it should auto go to trade council. In all other cases (for non proxy and proxy teams) if there is three vetos the trade should go to trade council.
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