Post by Kong on Mar 24, 2024 22:58:25 GMT -6
'12 All-Star Candidates
ITP8 '12 All-Star Game is just 5 days away so it is time for some candidates!
But before I give you the lists I will make a quick intro about the trends that I observed when picking players. So, iteration started with teams going mostly inside and after 12 Seasons it seems like East evolved to outside high scoring while West moved to balanced mostly. Evidence of this is the stunning amount of star PGs and SGs in the East with at least 4-6 players for each position that I think would make the game if they were in the West. And meanwhile you see more depth in the West lists for Forwards / Centers.
But anyway, let's talk candidates!
EAST CONFERENCE
POINT GUARDS
SHOOTING GUARDS
SMALL FORWARDS
POWER FORWARDS
CENTERS
WEST CONFERENCE
POINT GUARDS
SHOOTING GUARDS
SMALL FORWARDS
POWER FORWARDS
CENTERS
ITP8 '12 All-Star Game is just 5 days away so it is time for some candidates!
But before I give you the lists I will make a quick intro about the trends that I observed when picking players. So, iteration started with teams going mostly inside and after 12 Seasons it seems like East evolved to outside high scoring while West moved to balanced mostly. Evidence of this is the stunning amount of star PGs and SGs in the East with at least 4-6 players for each position that I think would make the game if they were in the West. And meanwhile you see more depth in the West lists for Forwards / Centers.
But anyway, let's talk candidates!
EAST CONFERENCE
POINT GUARDS
Name Team Games MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG TPG FG% FT% 3P%
LaMelo Ball NYK 35:-2 38.9 30.7 6.5 10.7 1.5 0.3 1.3 0.528 0.886 0.46
Steve Nash BOS 42 37.9 30 5.9 8.5 2.3 0.2 2.9 0.462 0.899 0.387
Killlian Hayes TOR 42 38.1 28.3 4.3 8.9 1.8 0.3 2.3 0.466 0.927 0.437
Stephon Marbury CHA 34 39.8 31.9 5.4 8.9 1.2 0.3 3.4 0.464 0.778 0.421To start we have East PGs with best player in the league LaMelo Ball and maybe 2nd best Killian Hayes. So, Ball should be a lock but for 2nd place I see a wide open race between Hayes, Nash, Marbury, Francis, Ford and Stoudamire with all having epic performances; And it is hard not to imagine Hayes considering he last missed it in '06 but if you check numbers both Nash and Marbury for instance top him in some categories meaning it could be anyone really.
Other candidates: Steve Francis, T.J. Ford.
Other candidates: Steve Francis, T.J. Ford.
SHOOTING GUARDS
Name Team Games MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG TPG FG% FT% 3P%
Ray Allen BOS 42 36.5 31.5 6.2 3.3 1.8 0.2 1.4 0.477 0.9 0.454
Anfern. Hardaway CHI 40:-3 38.8 26.6 7.3 4.3 2.1 0.1 3 0.446 0.851 0.349
Bogd. Bogdanovic DET 30:-7 39.4 33 6.2 5 1.8 0.1 2.3 0.486 0.908 0.454
Rudy Fernandez NYK 37 38.4 26.3 5.5 4.2 2.8 0.1 1.8 0.481 0.857 0.468For East SGs, I see 2 of Allen, Penny, Bogdanovic, Rudy and Lavine in no real order honestly; And Bogdanovic has the best stats and won a Player of the Month so he should be a lock except for the fact that he missed 7 games. Same reason why I am hardly considering Drew who missed 9 games. So East should see 2 new SGs this Season replacing Drew and Kobe. And one could be Rudy that first took Kobe's SG spot and now is going after his All-Star position. it is interesting to note that this would be the first All-Star for Penny or Rudy and just the 2nd for Allen.
Other candidates: Zach LaVine, John Drew.
Other candidates: Zach LaVine, John Drew.
SMALL FORWARDS
Name Team Games MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG TPG FG% FT% 3P%
Jamal Mashburn IND 32:-6 38.1 30.3 10.9 3.4 1.1 0.6 2.1 0.492 0.84 0.493
Paul Pierce ATL 40 38.8 28 8 2.7 1.3 0.2 1.9 0.434 0.801 0.422
Andrew Wiggins CHA 34 36.8 25.3 6.4 3.8 2.1 0.2 3.4 0.468 0.719 0.472
LeBron James MIL 39 38.3 19.2 8.6 4.2 1.4 0.5 1.7 0.424 0.76 0.392For East SFs, I see a similar scenario to that for SGs and Mashburn should be a lock although again he might not make it because of missed games. And besides him, I think Pierce is a good candidate if you go by points volume and low turnovers although Wiggins and James also have a case if you add the rest of the categories. And so does Grant and maybe Green. And I have no idea if it affects Wiggins moving from West to East recently.
Other candidates: Jerami Grant, Jeff Green.
Other candidates: Jerami Grant, Jeff Green.
POWER FORWARDS
Name Team Games MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG TPG FG% FT% 3P%
Joe Smith TOR 40:-2 38.1 25.3 13 0.8 1.1 1.3 1.8 0.471 0.739 0
Jelani McCoy NYK 34:-3 34.9 14.9 12.5 2 0.9 4.2 1.6 0.433 0.626 0
Zelmo Beaty WAS 31 35.4 18.2 8.9 2.5 1.5 0.9 2.3 0.499 0.735 0.538
Rasheed Wallace BKN 36 30.3 16.3 9.7 1.3 0.4 1.1 1.5 0.499 0.734 0.25For East Power Forwards, I think Smith and McCoy will repeat last Season picks as surprisingly high as Beaty's stats look right now and again, no idea if it will affect Smith his recent move from Magic to Raptors but yeah, competition for East PFs isn't that high. And Smith and McCoy did miss some games but only a few.
Other candidates: Matt Geiger, Shareef Abdur-Rahim.
Other candidates: Matt Geiger, Shareef Abdur-Rahim.
CENTERS
Name Team Games MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG TPG FG% FT% 3P%
Chris Hawkins PHI 33 35.2 21.5 14.7 2 0.9 2.3 1.6 0.486 0.622 0
Robert Traylor TOR 42 33.8 17.1 12.7 1.5 0.9 3 1.5 0.448 0.633 0
Clyde Lovellette WAS 31 32.3 20.2 9.5 3.1 0.5 1.2 2.6 0.446 0.75 0.2
Kyrylo Fesenko NYK 37 32.3 10.9 12.5 1.7 0.8 3.9 1.8 0.452 0.636 0And for East Centers like with Power Forwards, I think Hawkins and Traylor should repeat picks with Hawkins as a lock leading the list for both, points and rebounds. Maybe, Lovellette has a chance with more points than Traylor and decent assists although I doubt it.
Other candidates: Chuck Share, Hakeem Olajuwon.
WEST CONFERENCE
POINT GUARDS
Name Team Games MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG TPG FG% FT% 3P%
Allen Iverson GSW 38 38.4 26.7 4.6 8.4 2.1 0.2 2.5 0.451 0.774 0.409
Pee Wee Kirkland UTA 40 39.2 23 4.6 11.8 2 0.3 2.2 0.495 0.869 0.5
Jor. Nightingale MIN 35 38.1 23.3 4.1 10.5 1.5 0.3 3.7 0.491 0.89 0.522
Mike Conley LAL 34 38.3 28.1 5.4 7.7 1.6 0.1 3.1 0.438 0.797 0.416For West PGs, I have Iverson listed first and possibly making the game for a 5th consecutive time although only lock I think it is Pee Wee because if you compare created PGs Kirkland has the upper hand in almost every category compared to Nightingale who made the game last Season. So I think it should be Pee Wee and Iverson or Pee Wee and Nightingale although you also can't discard Conley with his leading points (and his much improved performance compared to last year).
Other candidates: Tyus Jones, Nick Van Exel.
Other candidates: Tyus Jones, Nick Van Exel.
SHOOTING GUARDS
Name Team Games MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG TPG FG% FT% 3P%
Anthony Edwards DAL 35:-1 38.3 23.9 7.7 3.2 1.6 0.1 2.2 0.466 0.767 0.348
Dwyane Wade LAC 38 38.7 22.7 4.5 4.2 1.9 0.1 1.8 0.482 0.844 0.378
Michael Jordan DEN 33:-5 35.8 21.5 7.2 4.4 1.1 0.3 2.3 0.444 0.767 0.313
Hal Greer SAC 35 35.8 21.1 6.7 3.5 1.7 0.1 2 0.477 0.789 0.507For West SGs, I see a wide open race between Edward, Wade, Jordan and Greer although not sure if Jordan is an option with 5 missed games. And same applies to Fred Jones that also had decent numbers but I discard him because he missed 8 games. And compared to last Season, Roy is now in the East and Petrovic is not looking that impressive so West should see 2 new SGs.
Other candidates: Drazen Petrovic, Fred Brown.
Other candidates: Drazen Petrovic, Fred Brown.
SMALL FORWARDS
Name Team Games MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG TPG FG% FT% 3P%
Shawn Marion UTA 40 37.6 32.2 8.5 2.7 0.8 0.7 1.3 0.44 0.864 0.418
Arvydas Sabonis LAC 38 39.6 23.9 10.8 5.2 1.2 1 1.6 0.463 0.771 0.429
Josh Howard SAC 35 38.8 26.2 8.8 2.8 1.7 0.7 1.7 0.529 0.876 0.462
G. Antetokounmpo SEA 40 38.3 24.3 10 2.5 1.1 1.4 2 0.436 0.932 0.375For West SFs, Marion should be a lock and I expect Sabonis to also making it with his leading rebounds and assists. Although Howard and Giannis also have a solid case.
Other candidates: Ron Artest, Chet Walker.
Other candidates: Ron Artest, Chet Walker.
POWER FORWARDS
Name Team Games MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG TPG FG% FT% 3P%
Dirk Nowitzki MIN 35 38.5 23.3 10.8 2.2 1.4 1.7 1.7 0.459 0.871 0.445
David West SEA 40 35.8 23.1 12 2.1 0.7 1.5 2.4 0.427 0.77 0.2
Kevin Garnett SAC 35 36.8 14.4 12.2 3.4 0.8 1.5 0.9 0.455 0.835 0
Elton Brand MEM 41 36.9 20.6 10.5 2.4 0.9 1.9 1.9 0.452 0.678 0.273For West PFs, I think Dirk will make it to a 2nd All-Star with all better numbers compared to last Season; And joining it could be West with his high points and rebounds although it is true that Garnett's numbers look better for winning if that matters as much but I doubt it.
Other candidates: Nerlens Noel, Christian Laettner.
Other candidates: Nerlens Noel, Christian Laettner.
CENTERS
Name Team Games MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG TPG FG% FT% 3P%
Moses Malone LAC 38 33.2 23.1 12.6 2.8 0.9 1.7 1.2 0.5 0.727 0
Joel Embiid PHO 35:-3 38.3 31.7 10.7 2.5 0.8 0.7 4.4 0.513 0.906 0.43
Ka. Abdul-Jabbar SAC 35 35.5 19.4 12.9 1.7 0.9 2.9 1.9 0.438 0.714 0
Karlton Hines UTA 35:-5 37.5 17.2 14.6 2.3 1.3 2.2 1 0.492 0.641 1And finally for West Centers, I expect Malone and Embiid to repeat last Season picks with Malone as a lock. So I think I would select Kareem or Hines' numbers over Embiid's but I doubt Embiid will miss it with such high scoring volume with high turnovers but efficient shooting %s.
Other candidates: Wilt Chamberlain, Anthony Soprano.
Other candidates: Wilt Chamberlain, Anthony Soprano.
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