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Post by John1974 on Nov 6, 2023 11:51:08 GMT -6
Unedited class will be up for edit suggestion with today's sim.
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Post by John1974 on Nov 9, 2023 12:01:32 GMT -6
Bump!!!
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Post by lionsbryan on Nov 9, 2023 12:15:19 GMT -6
I think Rip needs some love on his outside and defense. From start to finish he probably had the most successful career of anyone in this draft class. All through his prime he had the best mid-range shot of anyone in the league and he was definitely an above average man to man defender.
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Post by jupee on Nov 9, 2023 12:17:52 GMT -6
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Post by John1974 on Nov 9, 2023 15:21:01 GMT -6
I will be adding the 2 aba players tomorrow
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Post by Keyser Soze on Nov 10, 2023 0:20:26 GMT -6
Ron Artest
Gotta tone him down a little. Starting with A defense. B+ is the highest we start players with if they have A Potential. So drop defense to B+. Offensively he was 33.9 % 3pt shooter and 71 % FT for his career so I'd drop him from B- to C+ Outside. His Inside should include strength because he was a strong dude.
B- C+ C B+ C A
Corey Maggette
Corey was strong too. He was a bull inside that would attack the basket and live at the free throw line. And he was over 80% at the FT line. So B inside/C Outside was perfect. Because he didn't shoot 3s (1.7 attempts/gm for his career on 32%). He wasn't much of a passer. Bit of a ballhog. But D+ is a center handles so I'd make him a C- handles. He averaged under 5 RPG for his career so I'd drop rebounding to C. And I'd give him B Potential.
B C C- C+ C B
Jason Terry
At his peak with Dallas, Jason Terry was a hell of a #2 option to Nowitzki. Hes much better than C/B- offense. I'd say C+/B. He was a career 38% 3pt shooter. Shot nearly 39% in his 8 years in Dallas. Great FT shooter. Defensively he wasn't very good. But C defense will make him useless. I'd at least start him with a C+ he was never an all-star so I'd drop potential to a B (High B)
C+ B C+ C+ D+ B
Baron Davis
When he was healthy he was the best point guard in the game. But health and inconsistency was a problem. Career shooting splits of 40.9/32.0/71.1 indicate that the C Outside or a low C+ is fair for him. Improve handles to B-. He finished top 7 in the league in APG for 7 seasons.
B(high jumping like Francis) C+(low) B- B- C- A
Manu Ginobili
B inside is a little high. He wasn't a volume scorer in the NBA. So I'd balance him out by dropping inside to B-, while improving outside to B-. Also drop defense to B since he wasn't on Artest level.
B- B- C+ B C- A
Richard Hamilton
Rip was money in the mid range. I'd bump him to B outside due to the Jumpshot. And up to B- defense.
C+ B C+ B- D+ A
Wally Szczerbiak
He was the best shooter in this class so I like starting him with the B+ outside. But knockoff the A Potential down to a lower B.
C+ B+ C C+ C- B
Shawn Marion
He was one of the best players in this class. Especially Phoenix Shawn Marion. 18.4 PPG 10.0 RPG 1.9 SPG 1.4 BPG in his 9 years with the suns. 4 all star appearances. 2 all NBA selections. With that said he's still a little overrated as of right now. Defense should drop from A to a high B (below Artest. Since he's the benchmark for defense of this class). Make Rebounding a B-. Potential up to A.
B C+ C- B B- A
Andrei Kirilenko
His A+ Defense gotta go down a little. Though he was amazing defensively. At his peak he would average about 3 blocks AND 2 steals in the same season. So give him some stocks (blocks/steals). But make him a B+ defensively.
B- C+(low) C- B+ C+ B
Lamar Odom
I love Lamar Odom but B/B scoring is insane for him. Though he was versatile. He could shoot for a big. But he wasn't very effienct. 31.2 % from 3s and 69.1 % from FT. I'd do B-/C+(low) scoring for him. Knock handles down from A- to c+. Improve defense to B. Make him a very versatile player. Where he was good at everything. But great at nothing.
B- C+(low) C+ B B- B
Andre Miller
Mr boring. Mr basic. But Mr effective. The best pure point guard of this class. Solid in the mid range (didn't shoot 3s). I'd drop handles from A to a more realistic B. Improve potential to B. And drop defense to a high B-.
B- C B B- C B
Elton Brand
First 8 years in the league he pretty much averaged 20 pts 10 rebs every season. Great shot blocking too.
B C- C- B B A
Steve Francis
3 all star teams in his first 5 years. He was almost a 20/6/6 guy in his Houston tenure. Super athletic. He wasn't a traditional PG. His assist/turnover ratio was horrible (6.0 APG vs 3.5 TPG) so I'd make handle C+. But id give him a nice B/C+ scoring build. His Inside is gonna be high because of the jumping. And C reb is good because he was an excellent rebounding guard.
B (High Jumping like Baron) C+ C+ B- C A
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Post by jupee on Nov 10, 2023 0:52:17 GMT -6
Antwain Smith C+ C D+ C+ C+ D
Henrik Rödl C+ C- C B C+ D
Wang Zhizhi C+ C+ D B- C+ D
James Posey C B C B C B (was solid 3&D player)
Jumaine Jones C B- D+ B C+ D
Devean George C B D C+ C D (was shooter, not a defender)
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Post by John1974 on Nov 10, 2023 13:04:14 GMT -6
Got some done and added the two ABA players for suggestions.
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Post by jupee on Nov 10, 2023 14:06:08 GMT -6
Make my adjustments
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Post by lionsbryan on Nov 10, 2023 14:19:13 GMT -6
Dang this would be a tough decision to make if you had the #1 pick.
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Post by jupee on Nov 10, 2023 14:27:28 GMT -6
You made Nowitzkti A+ class defender already, dont make Whang Zhi Zhi better than Nowitzki lol
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Post by Keyser Soze on Nov 10, 2023 14:33:46 GMT -6
Next sim: Final regular season sim Sunday afternoon. I have some of the edits done on the draft and will get the rest done on sunday. Reminder the draft starts during the playoffs, and trading opens. (Trades will not be processed in the game until the season flip.) How did this sim turn out?
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Post by jupee on Nov 10, 2023 14:35:52 GMT -6
Last year it did not work lol
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Post by Keyser Soze on Nov 10, 2023 14:46:57 GMT -6
Things get missed. Nobodies perfect.
I messed up too. I saw Dirk was a horrendous offensive player initially. So I suggested his offense improve. While not acknowledging the B+ Defense he didn't deserve. Which needed to drop like you suggested.
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Post by jupee on Nov 10, 2023 14:53:52 GMT -6
Yeah thats why I dont think Whang should be better than Ball on the draft day
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Post by Keyser Soze on Nov 10, 2023 15:05:37 GMT -6
Right. And I'm sure it'll be addressed on Sunday.
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Post by John1974 on Nov 10, 2023 15:09:57 GMT -6
Only edits done are fda's suggestions. It's all I had time for at this time.
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Post by jupee on Nov 11, 2023 9:36:01 GMT -6
You made Nowitzkti A+ class defender already, dont make Whang Zhi Zhi better than Nowitzki lol that was rude post, my apologies John1974
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Post by John1974 on Nov 11, 2023 11:31:25 GMT -6
Had some time to get more edits done before I had to leave. If you dont see them refresh the draft page.
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Post by Keyser Soze on Nov 11, 2023 11:33:30 GMT -6
Had some time to get more edits done before I had to leave. If you dont see them refresh the draft page. Everytime I click refresh, the wolf in your avatar bites me. How do I make that stop?
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