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Post by John1974 on Aug 6, 2023 12:10:33 GMT -6
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Post by kipper on Aug 9, 2023 8:46:00 GMT -6
if you guys have seen the top 100 list, do you guys agree wit hthe players that listen Hurts higher than Burron? I think hurts was #3 and Burrow #6
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Post by bluechips23 on Aug 9, 2023 8:54:17 GMT -6
Neither should be top ten
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Post by kipper on Aug 9, 2023 9:20:55 GMT -6
Neither should be top ten I disagree with that take 100% Burrow is the 2nd best QB to Mahomes imo, Hurts had a good season, but to say he is better than Burrow because of that 1 season no. Now neither top 10, that is a hot take for sure. |
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Post by bluechips23 on Aug 9, 2023 9:25:56 GMT -6
I would have Aaron Donald, Trent Williams, Myles Garrett in the top ten above them
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Post by New York Knicks on Aug 9, 2023 10:08:41 GMT -6
You're not gonna factor in the importance of the position?
Trent Williams was stuck in oblivion his first 10 years in DC. Because they never had a QB.
Myles Garrett has been one of the best defensive players in the game. And he has 1 career playoff appearance. Why? The QB situation in Cleveland.
And we saw what happened to the Rams last year with a broken down Stafford. And despite having another highly impactful season. Nobody even cared about Donald last year.
Point being Burrows translation to team success is >> those 3 guys. So wouldn't that make Burrow better?
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Post by bluechips23 on Aug 9, 2023 10:16:29 GMT -6
Burrow has a stacked Offense.
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Post by New York Knicks on Aug 9, 2023 10:22:53 GMT -6
You're right. He's working with a full clip. In terms of his weapons.
What about the Oline? The only thing stacked about them is the way they let pass rushers stack on top of Burrow.
But now they got Orlando Brown. He finally got some Oline help. So the odds are he's gonna be even better this season.
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Post by bluechips23 on Aug 9, 2023 10:34:51 GMT -6
And I view to the TOP 100 as Best, not most valuable.
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Post by Michael on Aug 9, 2023 10:58:33 GMT -6
My top 5 QBs in order
Mahomes
Burrow
Hurts
Allen
Lamar
But I’m not mad players voted Hurts over Burrow. Hurts feels like the ultimate player’s player.
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Post by New York Knicks on Aug 9, 2023 11:08:19 GMT -6
Why don't they simplify it. A top 10 list for QBs. Top 100 for everybody else.
They always separate QBs anyways. Give them the most money. Don't let them get hit in practice. Changes rules to protect them. So do separate lists.
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Post by kipper on Aug 9, 2023 17:22:43 GMT -6
if we dont consider the fact that QB is most important position in sport.
I would say
mahomes
garrett
Jefferson
chris jones
micah parsons
joe burrow
trent williams
t kelce
jalen hurts
nick bosa / aaron donald
I do agree that they might as well make a QB tier list and a non qb tier list at this point but whatever lol
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Post by kipper on Aug 9, 2023 17:24:10 GMT -6
My top 5 QBs in order Mahomes Burrow Hurts Allen Lamar But I’m not mad players voted Hurts over Burrow. Hurts feels like the ultimate player’s player. idk if i would have lamar that high, coming from a Baltimore fan. I think perhaps Herbert deserves more that role for now. Since his MVP season Lamar, has not been able to stay healthy so we will see this year. Im hopeful. |
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Post by Michael on Aug 9, 2023 19:39:50 GMT -6
My top 5 QBs in order Mahomes Burrow Hurts Allen Lamar But I’m not mad players voted Hurts over Burrow. Hurts feels like the ultimate player’s player. idk if i would have lamar that high, coming from a Baltimore fan. I think perhaps Herbert deserves more that role for now. Since his MVP season Lamar, has not been able to stay healthy so we will see this year. Im hopeful. That's fair. I like Herbert but feel he is a bit overhyped. There's a case to be made for Lamar, Herbert, Lawrence and even Rodgers for that #5 spot if we're talking about going into next season. |
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Post by kipper on Aug 9, 2023 19:45:49 GMT -6
idk if i would have lamar that high, coming from a Baltimore fan. I think perhaps Herbert deserves more that role for now. Since his MVP season Lamar, has not been able to stay healthy so we will see this year. Im hopeful. That's fair. I like Herbert but feel he is a bit overhyped. There's a case to be made for Lamar, Herbert, Lawrence and even Rodgers for that #5 spot if we're talking about going into next season. agreed. basically 2 to 7-8 you can basically change them depending on what you prefer on the QB or who you like more. They are in the higher tier all of them. Maybe 2-4 is in a group and then 5-8/9 is in another group. |
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Post by New York Knicks on Aug 25, 2023 21:15:18 GMT -6
Trey Lance traded to the Cowboys. What does this mean?
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Post by kipper on Aug 26, 2023 12:03:56 GMT -6
Trey Lance traded to the Cowboys. What does this mean? this means that cooper rush probably not resigned after the season and Lance is going to be the 3rd for the season. Dak could be in hot water. If he has a bad season, he could very well lose his spot. Tray is super young and unproven, very raw QB. Could be a gem, or he could be bad, we dont know. |
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Post by New York Knicks on Aug 26, 2023 14:25:26 GMT -6
Trey Lance traded to the Cowboys. What does this mean? this means that cooper rush probably not resigned after the season and Lance is going to be the 3rd for the season. Dak could be in hot water. If he has a bad season, he could very well lose his spot. Tray is super young and unproven, very raw QB. Could be a gem, or he could be bad, we dont know. Thing is, Daks water is gonna be warm regardless. If he throws 30 touchdowns or 30 interceptions. He has a 59 mil dollar cap hit for next year. If they cut or trade him, it's 61 mil in dead salary. So Dak got them by the balls. And they're praying he's willing to renegotiate. Work out a deal that's gonna make their cap situation a little less miserable for next year. I guess Lance is their leverage chip to help them negotiate |
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Post by kipper on Aug 26, 2023 14:58:22 GMT -6
this means that cooper rush probably not resigned after the season and Lance is going to be the 3rd for the season. Dak could be in hot water. If he has a bad season, he could very well lose his spot. Tray is super young and unproven, very raw QB. Could be a gem, or he could be bad, we dont know. Thing is, Daks water is gonna be warm regardless. If he throws 30 touchdowns or 30 interceptions. He has a 59 mil dollar cap hit for next year. If they cut or trade him, it's 61 mil in dead salary. So Dak got them by the balls. And they're praying he's willing to renegotiate. Work out a deal that's gonna make their cap situation a little less miserable for next year. I guess Lance is their leverage chip to help them negotiate They cannot cut him or they just have dead money as you said. So they need to figure it out with him or move to Lance and put Dak on the bench. Problem is Lance as basically no ingame experience from College or NFL. So only evaluation is the practices. Which is okay to get an idea, but still like its not real game experience. we will see what they do, I think trading a 4th for him is good, but idk where they are going with that trade |
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Post by New York Knicks on Aug 27, 2023 6:42:27 GMT -6
You cant realistically bench him, and have a 59mil backup. That puts you at a tremendous competitive disadvantage in a salary cap league. So their bluff is probably not gonna work on Dak.
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