2004 Draft Discussion/Edits

[John1974]

No edits have been made (Reminder the game will add fakes once season flips.)

Suggest letter grades only please. I will add the 2 ABA players this evening.

[methatswho]

Way under valued Kareem Abdul Jabber career

[jupee]

Porzingis b- b c- c+ b-

[methatswho]

Terry Roizer to short to old should be A- defense

[New York Knicks]

Kareem - If anybody deserves a near perfect starting point it's him. If B+ is the highest we go with rookies he gotta start with 3 B+ at inside/def/Reb.

Rating: B+ C C+ B+ B+ A


Devin Booker - 2nd Best Player in this draft. Best scorer. Got playmaking ability. We've seen Point Book in the past.

Rating: B B- B- B- C- A


Karl Anthony Towns - He's the number 3 guy. Extremely skilled at the 4/5. Doesn't dominate in the paint as much as he should. So I'd knock him a little in terms of Inside scoring. But outside he's a savage. Near 40% career three point shooter. High assists for a big as well.

Rating: B- B C+ B- B A


Deangelo Russell - Gotta bump up that outside shot. His 5.7 APG to 2.8 TPG ratio probably doesn't deserve an A- handle.

Rating: C+ B- B- B- D+ A


Porzingis - I wouldn't go as high as B outside with him. I think that's Towns territory. Porzingis shooting at 36 % from 3 is more of a B- imo. Poor rebounder for his size.

Rating: B- B- C- B- C+ A


Myles Turner - He needs the most work. He's been a top 5 shot blocker in the 6 of the last 7 years. He's A good three point shooting big man.

Rating: C+ B- C- B C+ B


Kelly Oubre - he's a bucket getter. Averaged 20 a game this year. Very streaky though. Doesn't do much else besides score.

Rating: B- C+ C C+ C B


Terry Rozier - He was a good defensive minded role player in Boston. Then went to Charlotte and became a 20 PPG scorer (19.7 in 4 years with the Hornets). Streaky though.

Rating: C+ B- B- B C- B


Norman Powell - He can REALLY score. 17ppg near 48 % from the field near 40% from 3s coming off the bench this season. His whole career he's been a good efficient scorer.

Rating: C+ B C C+ C- B


Bobby Portis - Deserves some major improvements too with his metamorphosis in Milwaukee. His 3 years there: 13.4 PPG 8.76 RPG 49.6 FG 40.2 3PT while mostly coming off the bench. He deserves to be a better shooter, rebounder, and defender.

Rating: C+ B- C- B- B- B


Montrezl Harrell - We could make Trez a more useful player. I mean he did win Sixth Man of the Year back in 2020: 18.6 PPG 7.1 RPG coming off the bench! He had a nice two man game with Lou Williams in the pick n roll. He finished everything around the basket so the B inside is perfect. But he also improved that mid range shot too. So I'd bump it from D+ outside to like a HIGH C- outside. Improving the jumpshot rating

Rating: B C- C- C+ C+ B


Tyus Jones - excellent backup PG for Memphis. 3.9 APG to 0.7 TPG ratio. So I'd give him the highest handle in the class (B). Good three point shooter.

Rating: C B- B B- D+ B


Kevon Looney - A championship role player. Just had 3 20+ rebound games in a playoff series. Tied for most in NBA History. We could make a useful ITP Player as well.

Rating: C+ C- C- B- B- B


Larry Nance Jr - We could give Nance a chance too. Right now he looks like an auto-free cut. Nice athletic role player. High Jumping ability.

Rating: C+ C C B- C+ B


RJ Hunter - don't really know much about him. He was a solid college shooter. But in the pros he played in 45 games and shot below 30% from 3s. So we probably should significantly drop that A- outside shot. Unless somebodh got more information on him. Cause I'm not all that educated on his game.

Cameron Payne - Also Payne. He was a solid player in the Suns Finals run. But he's regressed lately. And overall he hasn't had a B- outside B- handle B+ Def B Potential kind of career (pushing him above Rozier, Powell). So I'd either drop the ratings or just drop the potential to C if that's easier

[John1974]

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[New York Knicks]

Justice Winslow - Missed him. He was a great defender right out of the gate for Miami. Then injuries screwed him. I'd give him good defense with a lower Potential so at least he can be a roleplayer instead of being useless.

Rating: C+ C C B+ C C


Okafor - Him too. He was the #3 pick in the draft. Averaged 17+ ppg as a rookie. Then it all went to shit. So I'd at least give him a nice inside scoring out the gate. With a lower Potential to match his career regression.

Rating: B C C- C+ C+ C

[methatswho]

May 1, 2023 12:06:37 GMT -6 New York Knicks said:

Kareem - If anybody deserves a near perfect starting point it's him. If B+ is the highest we go with rookies he gotta start with 3 B+ at inside/def/Reb.

Rating: B+ C C+ B+ B+ A


Devin Booker - 2nd Best Player in this draft. Best scorer. Got playmaking ability. We've seen Point Book in the past.

Rating: B B- B- B- C- A


Karl Anthony Towns - He's the number 3 guy. Extremely skilled at the 4/5. Doesn't dominate in the paint as much as he should. So I'd knock him a little in terms of Inside scoring. But outside he's a savage. Near 40% career three point shooter. High assists for a big as well.

Rating: B- B C+ B- B A


Deangelo Russell - Gotta bump up that outside shot. His 5.7 APG to 2.8 TPG ratio probably doesn't deserve an A- handle.

Rating: C+ B- B- B- D+ A


Porzingis - I wouldn't go as high as B outside with him. I think that's Towns territory. Porzingis shooting at 36 % from 3 is more of a B- imo. Poor rebounder for his size.

Rating: B- B- C- B- C+ A


Myles Turner - He needs the most work. He's been a top 5 shot blocker in the 6 of the last 7 years. He's A good three point shooting big man.

Rating: C+ B- C- B C+ B


Kelly Oubre - he's a bucket getter. Averaged 20 a game this year. Very streaky though. Doesn't do much else besides score.

Rating: B- C+ C C+ C B


Terry Rozier - He was a good defensive minded role player in Boston. Then went to Charlotte and became a 20 PPG scorer (19.7 in 4 years with the Hornets). Streaky though.

Rating: C+ B- B- B C- B


Norman Powell - He can REALLY score. 17ppg near 48 % from the field near 40% from 3s coming off the bench this season. His whole career he's been a good efficient scorer.

Rating: C+ B C C+ C- B


Bobby Portis - Deserves some major improvements too with his metamorphosis in Milwaukee. His 3 years there: 13.4 PPG 8.76 RPG 49.6 FG 40.2 3PT while mostly coming off the bench. He deserves to be a better shooter, rebounder, and defender.

Rating: C+ B- C- B- B- B


Montrezl Harrell - We could make Trez a more useful player. I mean he did win Sixth Man of the Year back in 2020: 18.6 PPG 7.1 RPG coming off the bench! He had a nice two man game with Lou Williams in the pick n roll. He finished everything around the basket so the B inside is perfect. But he also improved that mid range shot too. So I'd bump it from D+ outside to like a HIGH C- outside. Improving the jumpshot rating

Rating: B C- C- C+ C+ B


Tyus Jones - excellent backup PG for Memphis. 3.9 APG to 0.7 TPG ratio. So I'd give him the highest handle in the class (B). Good three point shooter.

Rating: C B- B B- D+ B


Kevon Looney - A championship role player. Just had 3 20+ rebound games in a playoff series. Tied for most in NBA History. We could make a useful ITP Player as well.

Rating: C+ C- C- B- B- B


Larry Nance Jr - We could give Nance a chance too. Right now he looks like an auto-free cut. Nice athletic role player. High Jumping ability.

Rating: C+ C C B- C+ B


RJ Hunter - don't really know much about him. He was a solid college shooter. But in the pros he played in 45 games and shot below 30% from 3s. So we probably should significantly drop that A- outside shot. Unless somebodh got more information on him. Cause I'm not all that educated on his game.

Cameron Payne - Also Payne. He was a solid player in the Suns Finals run. But he's regressed lately. And overall he hasn't had a B- outside B- handle B+ Def B Potential kind of career (pushing him above Rozier, Powell). So I'd either drop the ratings or just drop the potential to C if that's easier

Yet you say I don't watch NBA

Hunter is a very strong athletic shooter he's a good all around player since he plays defense only thing stopping him are the Hawks . Bout Would rate him lower but he's a shooter

[New York Knicks]

Clearly you don't. If you can't tell the difference between RJ Hunter and De'andre Hunter.

Save the bullshit. If you got something useful to add to the draft edits, do it. Otherwise, don't talk to me. We got nothing to talk about.

[beatonz]

May 1, 2023 21:02:50 GMT -6 methatswho said:

May 1, 2023 12:06:37 GMT -6 New York Knicks said:

Kareem - If anybody deserves a near perfect starting point it's him. If B+ is the highest we go with rookies he gotta start with 3 B+ at inside/def/Reb.

Rating: B+ C C+ B+ B+ A


Devin Booker - 2nd Best Player in this draft. Best scorer. Got playmaking ability. We've seen Point Book in the past.

Rating: B B- B- B- C- A


Karl Anthony Towns - He's the number 3 guy. Extremely skilled at the 4/5. Doesn't dominate in the paint as much as he should. So I'd knock him a little in terms of Inside scoring. But outside he's a savage. Near 40% career three point shooter. High assists for a big as well.

Rating: B- B C+ B- B A


Deangelo Russell - Gotta bump up that outside shot. His 5.7 APG to 2.8 TPG ratio probably doesn't deserve an A- handle.

Rating: C+ B- B- B- D+ A


Porzingis - I wouldn't go as high as B outside with him. I think that's Towns territory. Porzingis shooting at 36 % from 3 is more of a B- imo. Poor rebounder for his size.

Rating: B- B- C- B- C+ A


Myles Turner - He needs the most work. He's been a top 5 shot blocker in the 6 of the last 7 years. He's A good three point shooting big man.

Rating: C+ B- C- B C+ B


Kelly Oubre - he's a bucket getter. Averaged 20 a game this year. Very streaky though. Doesn't do much else besides score.

Rating: B- C+ C C+ C B


Terry Rozier - He was a good defensive minded role player in Boston. Then went to Charlotte and became a 20 PPG scorer (19.7 in 4 years with the Hornets). Streaky though.

Rating: C+ B- B- B C- B


Norman Powell - He can REALLY score. 17ppg near 48 % from the field near 40% from 3s coming off the bench this season. His whole career he's been a good efficient scorer.

Rating: C+ B C C+ C- B


Bobby Portis - Deserves some major improvements too with his metamorphosis in Milwaukee. His 3 years there: 13.4 PPG 8.76 RPG 49.6 FG 40.2 3PT while mostly coming off the bench. He deserves to be a better shooter, rebounder, and defender.

Rating: C+ B- C- B- B- B


Montrezl Harrell - We could make Trez a more useful player. I mean he did win Sixth Man of the Year back in 2020: 18.6 PPG 7.1 RPG coming off the bench! He had a nice two man game with Lou Williams in the pick n roll. He finished everything around the basket so the B inside is perfect. But he also improved that mid range shot too. So I'd bump it from D+ outside to like a HIGH C- outside. Improving the jumpshot rating

Rating: B C- C- C+ C+ B


Tyus Jones - excellent backup PG for Memphis. 3.9 APG to 0.7 TPG ratio. So I'd give him the highest handle in the class (B). Good three point shooter.

Rating: C B- B B- D+ B


Kevon Looney - A championship role player. Just had 3 20+ rebound games in a playoff series. Tied for most in NBA History. We could make a useful ITP Player as well.

Rating: C+ C- C- B- B- B


Larry Nance Jr - We could give Nance a chance too. Right now he looks like an auto-free cut. Nice athletic role player. High Jumping ability.

Rating: C+ C C B- C+ B


RJ Hunter - don't really know much about him. He was a solid college shooter. But in the pros he played in 45 games and shot below 30% from 3s. So we probably should significantly drop that A- outside shot. Unless somebodh got more information on him. Cause I'm not all that educated on his game.

Cameron Payne - Also Payne. He was a solid player in the Suns Finals run. But he's regressed lately. And overall he hasn't had a B- outside B- handle B+ Def B Potential kind of career (pushing him above Rozier, Powell). So I'd either drop the ratings or just drop the potential to C if that's easier

Yet you say I don't watch NBA

Hunter is a very strong athletic shooter he's a good all around player since he plays defense only thing stopping him are the Hawks . Bout Would rate him lower but he's a shooter

lol I don’t know if this is serious or not?

[methatswho]

Richaun Holmes C+ C C- B B- A

Frank Kamensky C+ B- C- C+ C+ B


Jahlil Okafor B- C- C- C+ B- C

Cedric Osman C C C C C B

Pat Connington C+ B- C B- C A

Norman Powell C+ B C B C- A

Josh Richardson B- B- C B- C A

Justise Winslow C C B- B+ C+ B

Kelly Oubre B- C+ C B- C+ A

Marcus Thornton C+ B- C+ C C- C

[New York Knicks]

You do realize that's not instant offense scoring Marcus Thornton that used to play for the Kings right? He's from the 09 draft. This is 2015 draft Marcus Thornton that never played in the NBA.

And why are we giving a career backup big like Holmes A Potential?

Or Pat Connaughton? A 6 ppg backup wing player. Why give him A potential?

Josh Richardson B- B- scoring build + A Potential? That's gonna make him a potential all star wing. He's was never that type of player.


Though Richardson should be improved. That you're right about


Josh Richardson - had some decent offensive seasons. One year averaged over 16ppg. Solid wing defender.

Rating: C+ B- (Lower B-) C B C- B (Lower B Potential)


Richaun Holmes - He could use a little improvement too. He had some solid years in Sacramento before this year.

Rating: B- C- C- B- B- C

[Kong]

From players not mentioned yet, maybe

Rondae Hollis-Jefferson - C+ C- C B C B

Willie Cauley-Stein - C+ D+ C B- C+ B


^ Changes in bold.

[John1974]

Edits done to here.

[Kong]

Pat Connaughton - C+ C+ C C- C- B

^ Or even a B- inside if needed to get him a high Jumping so he can maybe compete in the Dunk contest at some point. FA Griffin Gomelsky sucks but he has B inside for instance because of 100 jumping. Not saying he should have a 100 jumping. Just something high enough.

[John1974]

Done.

[Kong]

I would drop some points to Tyus Jones' potential. Leave the B potential but change it from a high B to a low B.

Otherwise, at 19 there is a chance he could jump in TC to a really high A potential but Jones is a career backup.

[John1974]

edits are closed..

[John1974]

Im very sick been up all night. Laying down will check back on draft asap