2002 Draft discussion

[John1974]

Will be up tonight for edit suggestions.

[John1974]

Draft is up without edits! suggest away!

*no fakes have been edited down yet.

[New York Knicks]

Embiid should be toned down a little. And I hope his post D and handles isn't 5 and 5 like last time. That was weird.

Suggestion: B C+ C B- B A


Jokic is the best player in the class.

Suggestion: B C+ B C+ B A


Rick Barry is a notch below Jokic/Embiid. But he's clearly the 3rd best player. Averaged 35 per game in the ABA 1 year. Came to the NBA and averaged 30 per game. He's better than a C+ inside. He averaged 25/7/5 For his career. If make him, Embiid, Jokic the highest potential guys.

Suggestion: B C+ C+ C+ C A


Andrew Wiggins is a scorer with no defense, that's not really what he is in Golden State. He's a strong defender. And a quality complementary scorer

Suggestion: C+ B- C B C A


Julius Randle is better than a C defender. And he's been a nice playmaker in terms of the assists. He's no Jokic, but a C+ handle is warranted.

Suggestion: B- C+ C+ C+ B- A


Elfrid Payton was the worst starting PG in the league with the Knicks 2 years ago. And now he's out the league at 28. B- inside A handles B+ defense is very excessive.

Suggestion: C+ C B B C B


Are we building Jabari Parker based on what he was supposed to be? Or what he actually was in the NBA? Because he was not a B/B- caliber scorer in the league. Those B scoring grades should be reserved for the Barry's Embiids and Jokers.

Suggestion: B- C+ C B- C B


Aaron Gordon has really developed into the perfect player alongside Jokic, because of his excellent defense. He's much better than a C+

Suggestion: B- C+ C B C+ A


Jusef Nurkic shouldn't have A- defense B+ rebounding out the gate. He's not Dikembe Mutumbo.

Suggestion: B- C C B- B- B

[yourkers15]

Feb 9, 2023 18:46:46 GMT -6 New York Knicks said:

Embiid should be toned down a little. And I hope his post D and handles isn't 5 and 5 like last time. That was weird.

Suggestion: B C+ C B- B A


Jokic is the best player in the class.

Suggestion: B C+ B C+ B A


Rick Barry is a notch below Jokic/Embiid. But he's clearly the 3rd best player. Averaged 35 per game in the ABA 1 year. Came to the NBA and averaged 30 per game. He's better than a C+ inside. He averaged 25/7/5 For his career. If make him, Embiid, Jokic the highest potential guys.

Suggestion: B C+ C+ C+ C A


Andrew Wiggins is a scorer with no defense, that's not really what he is in Golden State. He's a strong defender. And a quality complementary scorer

Suggestion: C+ B- C B C A


Julius Randle is better than a C defender. And he's been a nice playmaker in terms of the assists. He's no Jokic, but a C+ handle is warranted.

Suggestion: B- C+ C+ C+ B- A


Elfrid Payton was the worst starting PG in the league with the Knicks 2 years ago. And now he's out the league at 28. B- inside A handles B+ defense is very excessive.

Suggestion: C+ C B B C B


Are we building Jabari Parker based on what he was supposed to be? Or what he actually was in the NBA? Because he was not a B/B- caliber scorer in the league. Those B scoring grades should be reserved for the Barry's Embiids and Jokers.

Suggestion: B- C+ C B- C B


Aaron Gordon has really developed into the perfect player alongside Jokic, because of his excellent defense. He's much better than a C+

Suggestion: B- C+ C B C+ A


Jusef Nurkic shouldn't have A- defense B+ rebounding out the gate. He's not Dikembe Mutumbo.

Suggestion: B- C C B- B- B

I would only make slight changes. Think Embid deserves a B defense.

Wiggins should be a B- in defense

Parker should be a B- B- scorer with low B potential.

Outside that I totally like the builds.

[yourkers15]

Early- C+ C+ C B- C B
Saric- C+ C+ C- C+ C+ B
Jerami Grant- C+ B- C C+ C A
Kyle Anderson- C+ C+ B B- C B
TJ Warren- B- B- C- C+ C A
Jordan McRae- C+ B- B- C+ C- C
Marcus Smart- C+ C+ C+ B C A
Spencer Dinwiddie- C+ B- B- C+ D+ A
Joe Harris- C B C+ C+ D+ B
Rodney Hood(should be a SG)- C B- C C D B
Jordan Clarkson- C+ B- C+ C+ C- A

[John1974]

Edits done to here. Will show next page update at 4pm central.

[beatonz]

Wiggins and Randle defence at C- and C seems quite low still.

[yourkers15]

Lavine should have A potential.

[yourkers15]

Capella should have B- or B defense

Nurkic rebounding/defense needs to come down.

Vonleh should be a B- B- for defense/rebounding

Mitch McGary is way too highly rated. As is DeAndre Daniels.

[beatonz]

Are any more changes being made to the draft class?

[klomper24]

John1974 I believe there is some missed (or maybe incorrectly input) edits, specifically Wiggins and Randle defense that was suggested from yourkers. Looks like you got everything else edited off his and fda's suggestions except those 2 so maybe it was input wrong? Wiggins shouldn't have the worst rated defense in the entire class....and randle 5th worst

[cheddar]

Feb 13, 2023 9:24:30 GMT -6 klomper24 said:

John1974 I believe there is some missed (or maybe incorrectly input) edits, specifically Wiggins and Randle defense that was suggested from yourkers. Looks like you got everything else edited off his and fda's suggestions except those 2 so maybe it was input wrong? Wiggins shouldn't have the worst rated defense in the entire class....and randle 5th worst

I was wondering this myself, if there are changes to Wiggins/Randle it may change my pick. 

[Kong]

Does Rick Barry also shoot FTs granny style in here?

That's an idea for the all-star weekend. For 3-point contest to allow one granny style 3 point (optional) to count for 1 extra point if you make it.

I mean, you do your round as usual and if at one point you want to go for a 3 point that counts for 1 extra point (either the regular for 2 or the money for 3) you do the granny shot and then continue as normal.

[John1974]

Yes Wiggins and Other are as suggested. I'll fix in couple hours when home.

[New York Knicks]

Feb 13, 2023 13:59:43 GMT -6 John1974 said:

Yes Wiggins and Other are as suggested. I'll fix in couple hours when home.

That's a real bad idea. We're gonna start editing guys as the draft is going? Then you got the Hornets who might wanna change their pick.

I really hope next year we upload a class around the all star break. So we don't gotta rush the class out. Take our time and do it right. Cause this isnt it.

[John1974]

Suggestions were dine before draft. So no biggie it's not like it makes them better than who's been picked.

[John1974]

Wiggins had 2 defensive ratings default back to 5 during import. Fixed and uploading.

[John1974]

If we moved up from 7 I was going to take Berry if I wasnt 1, 2. But I think our trade did us well for the upcoming season with Finley, McDyess now staying.

[klomper24]

Feb 13, 2023 14:15:14 GMT -6 New York Knicks said:

Feb 13, 2023 13:59:43 GMT -6 John1974 said:

Yes Wiggins and Other are as suggested. I'll fix in couple hours when home.

That's a real bad idea. We're gonna start editing guys as the draft is going? Then you got the Hornets who might wanna change their pick.

I really hope next year we upload a class around the all star break. So we don't gotta rush the class out. Take our time and do it right. Cause this isnt it.

I 100% agree with you on this b/c it has been happened before where the edits happened after draft started. Which should never happen. But I think(hopefully) this was just a one off where those 2 ratings were clearly incorrect.

But definitely agree the draft class should be finalized well ahead of time.

[New York Knicks]

Feb 13, 2023 14:23:54 GMT -6 John1974 said:

Suggestions were dine before draft. So no biggie it's not like it makes them better than who's been picked.

Well the first two picks were automatic. But id at least the Hornets the opportunity to confirm their pick.

And most important thing moving forward is let's get an earlier jump on uploading/editing the classes. Time is a beautiful thing. The more you have the better.