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Post by New York Knicks on Jun 16, 2022 9:41:40 GMT -6
We got a little discussion going on over there. Might as well take it here.
Lakers should retire Nurkics jersey. Nurkic turned into Gilbert Arenas AND Grant. They traded him for Arenas last year. Re-signed him in FA, AND then flipped him for Grant. Takes the sting out of losing Pierce.
Pistons got a nice twin tower combo now with Nurkic and Curry. With Prince as a 3rd option. Harris being an efficient scoring/low turnover PG.
Solid trade for both teams.
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Post by beatonz on Jun 16, 2022 11:12:37 GMT -6
I like it more for the Lakers but don't have an issue with it for the Pistons.
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Post by hooper on Jun 16, 2022 12:35:04 GMT -6
Trade looks fine. I respect Yourkers for making the most trades by far in this iteration of ITP and never being satisfied
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Post by yourkers15 on Jun 16, 2022 12:39:52 GMT -6
I just don't get the logic. SF is much more important and now he will have an ok player being there when it comes down to it he has to play Pierce, Jabari, Barnes, Carter, Redd in his division alone.
Is it a bad trade in terms of talent no but I think it's just a bad trade for positional value.
If he would of came and offered me Grant for Ross/Hot rod instead of coming with a deal to get a grizz lotto first we would of had a totally different discussion.
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Post by yourkers15 on Jun 16, 2022 12:42:39 GMT -6
Trade looks fine. I respect Yourkers for making the most trades by far in this iteration of ITP and never being satisfied When things were active I always tried to switch things up on the regular but only certain teams are really willing to make moves. Add on contracts are not easy to match and we have very little wiggle room. |
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Post by lutonlol on Jun 16, 2022 14:21:31 GMT -6
Plus you took the Jazz to the hole on a trade
I traded him
Nelson - who he turned into Araujo
Person - who is still performing decently
My 07 1st - which he has just used to get Jefferson
$300
I got
Kuzmic for 10 SIMs and playoffs
Griffin that you told me wasn't much use
Prince that I swapped to SG and spent cash on and will probably walk at end of season
Don't see how that is a bad trade for Jazz
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Post by New York Knicks on Jun 16, 2022 14:36:35 GMT -6
Plus you took the Jazz to the hole on a tradeI traded him Nelson - who he turned into Araujo Person - who is still performing decently My 07 1st - which he has just used to get Jefferson $300 I got Kuzmic for 10 SIMs and playoffs Griffin that you told me wasn't much use Prince that I swapped to SG and spent cash on and will probably walk at end of season Don't see how that is a bad trade for Jazz It was a fair trade talent wise. But it left Utah with Kwame Brown as their only big on the roster. And their season went to Shit afterward (16-43 post trade). Though chances are they weren't gonna be very good regardless (8-15 prior to the trade). |
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Post by lutonlol on Jun 16, 2022 14:39:08 GMT -6
I traded a 1st to get Gary Harris
I traded my 04 1st for Nicholson who I then switched for Capela and McMillan
The first ended up with the Jazz who picked.... Blake Griffin and then traded him to me
I traded my 03 1st and the Clippers picked Kenyon Martin who has average 15mpg 3.8ppg and 3.1rpg in 3 seasons
I also traded my 02 1st Clippers again this time they got Battaile Auerbach 24.5mpg and 7.8ppg in 4 seasons
Those 2 picks got me Person who eventually went to Jazz
So where exactly did I make a mistake with trading my picks?
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Post by lutonlol on Jun 16, 2022 14:48:48 GMT -6
But it left Utah with Kwame Brown as their only big on the roster. And their season went to Shit afterward (16-43 post trade). Though chances are they weren't gonna be very good regardless (8-15 prior to the trade). They went 23-59 season before after the trade they went 24-58 So strictly speaking they were better after the trade  |
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Post by yourkers15 on Jun 16, 2022 15:02:37 GMT -6
Just cuz he was dumb enough to give you Griffin back doesn't mean you didn't fudge up. Prince is better than person. Arroyo was got by the #5 pick and not Nelson who I had and wasn't willing to pay close to what you paid for him.
How that beal for Jackson trade pay off?
Beal is easily the better player.
Regardless you have been good for 1 season. We will see how this plays out. Nurk isn't a Sully type big. Your whole offense will change and you were 7-2 and really no reason to make a drastic trade.
As I said if you actually offered a deal pf substance and not try and get a lotto pick in the deal things would of been different. You really pushed for me to ask John to send it to counsil. That was just very weird.
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Post by New York Knicks on Jun 16, 2022 15:16:43 GMT -6
Bradley Beal is a bitch. Luka Jackson will bust his ass anyday.
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Post by lutonlol on Jun 16, 2022 15:42:34 GMT -6
Neither was likely to resign for me but Jackson at least had 76 Loyalty so I had a chance
I wasn't a good enough team to hang on to Beal so I took a chance
Point is I have a history of trading my best player if I like the offer. Lakers made me an offer for Grant. You just bitch when you didn't even have the balls to ask
As for pushing I sent
You can submit it to trade council via John and they can decide if it's fair and
I think it's a fair trade as it stands - if you would accept it for yourself then forward it to John
Hardly a hard push
Anyway let's all just agree you wouldn't recognise a whore in a brothel and you couldn't value a player in ITP if you wanted to
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Post by yourkers15 on Jun 16, 2022 15:53:44 GMT -6
Lol I'm done wasting my time on you. Thanks for passing the time though.
Good luck. Hopefully it works out for you and you prove me wrong.
But I will leave with that you actually value drive defense and that's all I ever needed to know.
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Post by beatonz on Jun 16, 2022 16:04:47 GMT -6
Lol I'm done wasting my time on you. Thanks for passing the time though. Good luck. Hopefully it works out for you and you prove me wrong. But I will leave with that you actually value drive defense and that's all I ever needed to know. Whats wrong with drive defense? Is it actually useless? |
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Post by New York Knicks on Jun 16, 2022 16:15:02 GMT -6
Lol I'm done wasting my time on you. Thanks for passing the time though. Good luck. Hopefully it works out for you and you prove me wrong. But I will leave with that you actually value drive defense and that's all I ever needed to know. Whats wrong with drive defense? Is it actually useless? Never been too sure about the importance of drive defense as well. I remember some GMs back in the day saying it doesn't matter and all drive D does is inflat the Def letter grade. Then heard others say it is important. |
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Post by beatonz on Jun 16, 2022 18:04:38 GMT -6
Seems hard to believe it would just be a useless stat?
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Post by 800wins on Jun 16, 2022 22:20:03 GMT -6
Drive D helps keeps players out of foul trouble. Also I don't get this trade for the Pistons but I believe in allowing experienced GMs the freedom to execute their vision
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Post by lutonlol on Jun 17, 2022 2:38:12 GMT -6
But I will leave with that you actually value drive defense and that's all I ever needed to know. Ignorance is bliss You made comments like this before when I pointed out that Haywood had 98 Post D and 96 Drive D and that he was a very strong defensive C. You chose to ignore the (98 Post D bit and blather on about how pointless Drive D is. What I hadn't realised was that you were involved in the development of ITP and were part of the team that decided that having only 10 stats was boring so you added another 5 that had no meaning but would at least look good. You traded Vonleh to the Pacers with a 1st (Jordan Hill to the Kings) then a few seasons later you traded back for him after Pacers resigned him to a 6 year $116m contract in FA. That trade cost you Araujo now happily scoring 33.7ppg for the Jazz. At that time you commented "Bring back my guy" that didn't last a season before you were trying to get rid of him. You have finally managed to trade him for a few backups and $300 after offering him to me for Haywood and my 08 1st and were surprised when I didn't bite your hand off!! |
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Post by lutonlol on Jun 17, 2022 4:51:44 GMT -6
It was a fair trade talent wise. But it left Utah with Kwame Brown as their only big on the roster. And their season went to Shit afterward (16-43 post trade). Though chances are they weren't gonna be very good regardless (8-15 prior to the trade). He always plays such weird DC's that don't take advantage of his roster. At the moment he keeps playing Ainge despite his 4.8ppg and 5.2apg. So he gets rubbish results. If he went with a lineup along the lines of Erving-Okoro-Person-Brown-Araujo he would do better than his current lineup. Also he resigned Brown on that horror of a contract despite the guy never being good enough to be worth anything more than about $5m per Buying out that contract will clear space for Okoro resign in a few seasons and for some multi year low cost offers like yours for Jefferson or mine for Jones and Nwora |
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Post by hooper on Jun 17, 2022 9:22:08 GMT -6
Plus you took the Jazz to the hole on a tradeI traded him Nelson - who he turned into Araujo Person - who is still performing decently My 07 1st - which he has just used to get Jefferson $300 I got Kuzmic for 10 SIMs and playoffs Griffin that you told me wasn't much use Prince that I swapped to SG and spent cash on and will probably walk at end of season Don't see how that is a bad trade for Jazz Saying he turned the Nelson contract into Araujo is pretty disingenuous considering I had to pay $500 for someone else to take Nelson (implying it was a negative value contract) and what I really wanted from him was pick 5. I think if he kept Tayshaun and then did the Araujo trade with me, his team would actually be decent. But I can’t really complain about anyone beating the Jazz up in a trade. Most of the league has by now |
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