majic44
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Post by majic44 on Mar 14, 2024 10:18:32 GMT -6
I am back for another edition of my Likes and Dislikes article.. Hope you all enjoy!
1) I dislike the “middle 6” teams seemingly wanting to do nothing. There are two paths as a GM that you can lead your team down: Full Contention or Full REbuild.. Anything in between is a waste of time and should be stopped at all costs. Any team that continually sits in that middle territory should make a choice one way or another, it helps themselves and makes the league more exciting.
2) I am learning to like D League, I just need to figure it out more. In some of my older leagues we had variations of the D League, but outside of playing time there werent alot of good uses forit. I like that we have an avenue to getting free points into young/underdeveloped players. Its a good thing for the league when these types of things happen. Getting more quality players is good for the league as hole, as long as its doesnt lead to over corrections..
3) About that last sentence, I dislike the lack of caps on upgrades in the D League. It was discussed in detail in the upgrades thread, but a guy like Rudy Fernandez should not have an avenue to being better than IRL NBA legends. I am newer to the league and not totally sure where the sweet spot sits, but the upgrade caps not applying to D League upgrades is a mistake that we should correct.
4) I like that our commissioner is both flexible and firm when making decisions. In our last 2 leagues we had a commissioner that was essentially a robot. Sure, it made the running of the league, and access to information, ALOT easier but he missed the personal/rational touch. He rarely admitted mistakes and seemingly never budged off his own opinion. In my short time I have seen John be flexible and even admit mistakes at times. That makes a huge difference and I am appreciative of that.
5) I like the Press Conference’s and think that it adds a fun wrinkle to the league. Articles are a great way to grow activity but can oftentimes be forced, or include information that isn't all that exciting. Press Conferences offer a great way to get engagement from the GM’s while also driving interesting discussions. Sure, there is some “fluff” posting in them, but overall they provide some great responses and are introspective.
6) I dislike the way that most GM’s use the preseason games, and it makes no sense. I understand there are some circumstances where playing your key players can be important, but what is the point in playing your stud/star players when there is nothing to really gain? I understand there is nothing to lose as injuries are turned off, but wouldn't you rather use those games to learn more about guys that won't be playing much in the regular season? That seems like a far better use of the time than playing guys you already know are good.
7) I like the balance of the league overall. Sure, Lamelo has been a monster for most of his career, but outside of him I do not feel as though there are any other “broken” players. Although, I reserve judgment in the event someone emerges this season. However, I like the balance of where the league is and think that there are several teams that could make a push to the title. Having a deep and balanced league is great for all and leads to more activity. Although, see point #1 for my thoughts on the rest…
8) I like the trade market activity, although I am not sure that any of it matters much at times. Nothing kills leagues faster than stagnation amongst the GM’s and we seem to have a pretty steady stream of movement throughout the league. I don't know that all of the trades do that much to improve teams, but at least we see some of the GM’s trying to make things happen.
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Post by jupee on Mar 15, 2024 11:21:44 GMT -6
Strongly agree with 3-6!
personally disagree on 1) tho, I mean I get your point, especially as long time IRL Hawks (all time most mediacore team) fan. But at FBB leagues you can make it fun with middle pack team. Make unexpected deep playoff run, upset seed #1 as seed #8, make some season records in some category or smth like that. And fun is all that matters!
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Post by majic44 on Mar 15, 2024 11:30:13 GMT -6
personally disagree on 1) tho, I mean I get your point, especially as long time IRL Hawks (all time most mediocre team) fan. But at FBB leagues you can make it fun with middle pack team. Make unexpected deep playoff run, upset seed #1 as seed #8, make some season records in some category or smth like that. And fun is all that matters! I can definitely understand your point here, although I disagree from my own perspective. I mostly enjoy championships and find any season that I am not contending nor tanking to be the most exciting. But the most important part is that everyone fund the fun in it, however that may be.
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Post by sapular on Mar 15, 2024 11:43:46 GMT -6
Strongly agree with 3-6! personally disagree on 1) tho, I mean I get your point, especially as long time IRL Hawks (all time most mediacore team) fan. But at FBB leagues you can make it fun with middle pack team. Make unexpected deep playoff run, upset seed #1 as seed #8, make some season records in some category or smth like that. And fun is all that matters! Wait, this is supposed to be fun? I thought we were here to validate other inadequacies in our lives and show just how amazing we are ie think we are? Imma start trying to have fun
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Post by Penny on Mar 15, 2024 11:50:40 GMT -6
Strongly agree with 3-6! personally disagree on 1) tho, I mean I get your point, especially as long time IRL Hawks (all time most mediacore team) fan. But at FBB leagues you can make it fun with middle pack team. Make unexpected deep playoff run, upset seed #1 as seed #8, make some season records in some category or smth like that. And fun is all that matters! Good article but ya I disagree with #1 too, you can't decide to just become a contender there is 29 other teams that got there own agenda and they aren't going to just trade you piece because you want to become a contender, also contracts situations can keep you a middle team. Now you say ok then rebuild... Well the rebuilding teams aren't going to just give you there assets or potential players unless they feel then can become a contender.Even if u do get assets theres 10 other teams already rebuilding so your already behind in rebuilding process. Basically most gms don't want to be a middle of pact team , they are stuck there till a rebuilding team decides to sell or a.contender decides to blow it up.
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Post by sapular on Mar 15, 2024 12:07:08 GMT -6
I think that many do not want to put in the work to get a team from a middle of the road team therefore just say it is too hard. You are correct many are trying to be #1 however sometimes you have to take an honest look and take a step back in order to take a step forward. The issue I have seen is that many do not want to take a step back or do not want to put in the work. I think many would be happy to just get into the playoffs and then hope for RNG to win a championship. Maintaining a championship level team over a large number of years is next to impossible. I just think that many wont take the honest look and say, I am in a good spot but not good enough and either take that step back and sell off an asset or push all in by "over paying" in order to put yourself in a position to win
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Post by Keyser Soze on Mar 15, 2024 12:08:41 GMT -6
Strongly agree with 3-6! personally disagree on 1) tho, I mean I get your point, especially as long time IRL Hawks (all time most mediacore team) fan. But at FBB leagues you can make it fun with middle pack team. Make unexpected deep playoff run, upset seed #1 as seed #8, make some season records in some category or smth like that. And fun is all that matters! Wait, this is supposed to be fun? I thought we were here to validate other inadequacies in our lives and show just how amazing we are ie think we are? Imma start trying to have fun Do you know how to have fun? Because if you do, then you would understand a shoutbox basketball conversation is for purpose of having a little fun. Having a little difference of opinion. But my introduction to you was being called “dense” for having a different basketball take than yours. That was weird. At that point I realized you might have malicious intent towards me. And Snide remarks like these further solidify that opinion. So instead of psychoanalyzing somebody else, why don’t you worry about your own inadequacies. Because think what you want of me. But we all got flaws. You included.
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majic44
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Post by majic44 on Mar 15, 2024 12:49:05 GMT -6
Strongly agree with 3-6! personally disagree on 1) tho, I mean I get your point, especially as long time IRL Hawks (all time most mediacore team) fan. But at FBB leagues you can make it fun with middle pack team. Make unexpected deep playoff run, upset seed #1 as seed #8, make some season records in some category or smth like that. And fun is all that matters! Good article but ya I disagree with #1 too, you can't decide to just become a contender there is 29 other teams that got there own agenda and they aren't going to just trade you piece because you want to become a contender, also contracts situations can keep you a middle team. Now you say ok then rebuild... Well the rebuilding teams aren't going to just give you there assets or potential players unless they feel then can become a contender.Even if u do get assets theres 10 other teams already rebuilding so your already behind in rebuilding process. Basically most gms don't want to be a middle of pact team , they are stuck there till a rebuilding team decides to sell or a.contender decides to blow it up. I disagree in that the only reason its difficult to rebuild/contend is because too many GMs are unwilling to do either. In addition, in a weighted lotto approach teams should be far more willing to take chances and make trades, in either way. In my short time here there have been multiple bubble teams that were 1-2 pieces away and didn't make a move. Whether it be their own hesitation or that of the teams outside of the playoff picture being unwilling to move a player. What is the point of the Grizzlies holding onto Russell when they will likely be stuck in the 30 win range? Why don't the Heat try and flip Aldridge and/or Smart to rebuild around their young core? This are just a couple examples and I could find plenty of others teams holding on any number of useful players. There should easily be a market for these types of players that allow some teams to push closer to contention while others fall back. I will agree that contract sizes in this league are far higher than I experienced in the past, and that makes trades a bit harder. Thats especially true with the odd Bird rules we have in place. But there are smart ways to make trades if you plan accordingly.
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Post by Penny on Mar 15, 2024 16:15:25 GMT -6
Good article but ya I disagree with #1 too, you can't decide to just become a contender there is 29 other teams that got there own agenda and they aren't going to just trade you piece because you want to become a contender, also contracts situations can keep you a middle team. Now you say ok then rebuild... Well the rebuilding teams aren't going to just give you there assets or potential players unless they feel then can become a contender.Even if u do get assets theres 10 other teams already rebuilding so your already behind in rebuilding process. Basically most gms don't want to be a middle of pact team , they are stuck there till a rebuilding team decides to sell or a.contender decides to blow it up. I disagree in that the only reason its difficult to rebuild/contend is because too many GMs are unwilling to do either. In addition, in a weighted lotto approach teams should be far more willing to take chances and make trades, in either way. In my short time here there have been multiple bubble teams that were 1-2 pieces away and didn't make a move. Whether it be their own hesitation or that of the teams outside of the playoff picture being unwilling to move a player. What is the point of the Grizzlies holding onto Russell when they will likely be stuck in the 30 win range? Why don't the Heat try and flip Aldridge and/or Smart to rebuild around their young core? This are just a couple examples and I could find plenty of others teams holding on any number of useful players. There should easily be a market for these types of players that allow some teams to push closer to contention while others fall back. I will agree that contract sizes in this league are far higher than I experienced in the past, and that makes trades a bit harder. Thats especially true with the odd Bird rules we have in place. But there are smart ways to make trades if you plan accordingly. You just proved my point , outside teams are involved in the process of getting that extra piece it has nothing to do with a gm being lazy or not trying, we can't force a gm that's a 30 win team to trade a asset that might get you over, shit I've offered 3 1sts for players teams didn't need and all I get is not trading him or I'll see but nobody ever gets back to me so how is that lack of trying or being comfortable? Even in the real NB , middle of pack teams get stuck because other teams have there own agenda and not going to trade there stars or prospects until another gm comes in who has there own agenda and are willing to trade the pieces the other Gm wouldn't. Basically you can't control other gms to give you there good pieces even when you try overpaying. some might be cool with being a middle of pack team but to say every middle of pack team is ok with it I feel is wrong. Some of us have our hands tied so we just throw out the best product we can and hope for the best
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Post by Pepe Silvia on Mar 15, 2024 16:53:13 GMT -6
I disagree in that the only reason its difficult to rebuild/contend is because too many GMs are unwilling to do either. In addition, in a weighted lotto approach teams should be far more willing to take chances and make trades, in either way. In my short time here there have been multiple bubble teams that were 1-2 pieces away and didn't make a move. Whether it be their own hesitation or that of the teams outside of the playoff picture being unwilling to move a player. What is the point of the Grizzlies holding onto Russell when they will likely be stuck in the 30 win range? Why don't the Heat try and flip Aldridge and/or Smart to rebuild around their young core? This are just a couple examples and I could find plenty of others teams holding on any number of useful players. There should easily be a market for these types of players that allow some teams to push closer to contention while others fall back. I will agree that contract sizes in this league are far higher than I experienced in the past, and that makes trades a bit harder. Thats especially true with the odd Bird rules we have in place. But there are smart ways to make trades if you plan accordingly. You just proved my point , outside teams are involved in the process of getting that extra piece it has nothing to do with a gm being lazy or not trying, we can't force a gm that's a 30 win team to trade a asset that might get you over, shit I've offered 3 1sts for players teams didn't need and all I get is not trading him or I'll see but nobody ever gets back to me so how is that lack of trying or being comfortable? Even in the real NB , middle of pack teams get stuck because other teams have there own agenda and not going to trade there stars or prospects until another gm comes in who has there own agenda and are willing to trade the pieces the other Gm wouldn't. Basically you can't control other gms to give you there good pieces even when you try overpaying. some might be cool with being a middle of pack team but to say every middle of pack team is ok with it I feel is wrong. Some of us have our hands tied so we just throw out the best product we can and hope for the best I agree with what you're saying here. I'm going to write an article that goes more in depth with what I'm about to say, but it feels like so many teams are unwilling to deal literally anything unless they "win" the trade by a large margin. The offers I got for LaVine when I first joined were literally dog shit, one team offered me literally just expirings as if I was just going to salary dump one of the best players in the league. 90% of the PMs I send out receive a response of "nope" or "no" with no negotiation what so ever. I also don't understand how a lot of guys run their proxy teams. The most attractive teams to new GMs are ones that have their picks and upcoming cap space, or younger talent, yet some of these teams won't listen when you're offering picks etc. for their established players. I just don't get it.
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Post by beatonz on Mar 17, 2024 14:14:36 GMT -6
You just proved my point , outside teams are involved in the process of getting that extra piece it has nothing to do with a gm being lazy or not trying, we can't force a gm that's a 30 win team to trade a asset that might get you over, shit I've offered 3 1sts for players teams didn't need and all I get is not trading him or I'll see but nobody ever gets back to me so how is that lack of trying or being comfortable? Even in the real NB , middle of pack teams get stuck because other teams have there own agenda and not going to trade there stars or prospects until another gm comes in who has there own agenda and are willing to trade the pieces the other Gm wouldn't. Basically you can't control other gms to give you there good pieces even when you try overpaying. some might be cool with being a middle of pack team but to say every middle of pack team is ok with it I feel is wrong. Some of us have our hands tied so we just throw out the best product we can and hope for the best I agree with what you're saying here. I'm going to write an article that goes more in depth with what I'm about to say, but it feels like so many teams are unwilling to deal literally anything unless they "win" the trade by a large margin. The offers I got for LaVine when I first joined were literally dog shit, one team offered me literally just expirings as if I was just going to salary dump one of the best players in the league. 90% of the PMs I send out receive a response of "nope" or "no" with no negotiation what so ever. I also don't understand how a lot of guys run their proxy teams. The most attractive teams to new GMs are ones that have their picks and upcoming cap space, or younger talent, yet some of these teams won't listen when you're offering picks etc. for their established players. I just don't get it. Some of even most new owners may like a team with cap and 1sts. But not all. Including yourself when you joined and took a loaded Pistons team. Not disagreeing with your general statement. But I don’t think it’s a bad thing to try and make proxy teams competitive as it makes the overall league better.
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Post by kipper on Mar 18, 2024 7:29:41 GMT -6
proxy team should follow the same flow as other teams. When they are bad, they are bad. When there is a window to be good, they should work towards being good.
I have to say that i do agree with #1. Most people, me included, feel like if you are at the top of the standings, then there is a chance to make a move and become better for the championship run. When you are in the middle, I am basically just waiting to see what will happen. Probably not a good perspective/idea, but it is hard to blow it all up or keep giving away 1sts and lots of cash to get slightly better when in the end, it just makes it so you go past round 1. Which I guess in my case now would be a good thing cause it seems like I cannot do that at all..
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Post by majic44 on Mar 18, 2024 7:37:52 GMT -6
When you are in the middle, I am basically just waiting to see what will happen. Probably not a good perspective/idea, but it is hard to blow it all up or keep giving away 1sts and lots of cash to get slightly better when in the end, it just makes it so you go past round 1. Which I guess in my case now would be a good thing cause it seems like I cannot do that at all.. This is the most important part to me point, and it speaks to why I think more teams should be willing to make a move one way or the other. I mentioned a few names in a previous post, but there are easily 4-6 (or more) players that could/should be traded by teams that have no shot at winning. Those 4-6 players are good enough to really move the needle for just about any team that would acquire them, and make it worth the cost. My point is this, it takes 2 sides to make a trade happen and too often there is only 1 side that feels the need to get something done. This leads to too many teams just sitting around with no improvements to the team.
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Post by beatonz on Apr 4, 2024 11:15:04 GMT -6
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