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Post by Keyser Soze on Sept 1, 2017 20:44:42 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2017 21:00:49 GMT -6
I thought it was a win-win to be honest. Your window now extends forever. I get Giannis, who I coveted since I joined
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Post by bluechips23 on Sept 2, 2017 1:33:37 GMT -6
way too much... one for one is kinda reasonable, 2 for 1 is self destruction in my opinion. King is a top 6 pick in this draft, in a good draft at that, And to add a top level rookie (#5) for a camped out max salary player, albeit young, to a team that doesnt have any pieces to use the big max to contend. Giannis is a good piece, but his ceiling is nearly reached (65 pot left), hes almost all done camping, is a tweener (bad reb/strength/per d for a SF) red flag*, making 17 mill+, and is isnt a #1 or even really #2 option on a good team. and thats no offence to giannis, he is a solid 3, and great non option. but getting a good 3 or great non option, isnt worth losing 2 franchise cornerstones on cheap contracts. TO me.
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Post by Keyser Soze on Sept 2, 2017 1:58:53 GMT -6
B+/A- scorer with 68 inside 90 jump shot 80 threes with 88 jumping 71 strength is a 3rd option or a non option? Guys averaging 25 ppg during the playoffs.
9.1 rpg out of the SF position is a red flag?
OK his perimeter D is a little low. But at SF you're matched up vs inside oriented SFs (how many jump shooting SFs do you see in the league?) where he's got 82 post D (and 71 strength is nothing to sneeze at for a SF). Then throw in 75 steals and 71 blks, how many SFs in the league are 70+ in both of those departments?
Guy is 22 years old and does it all and he's nothing more than a "solid 3" but Jrich and King (you wanna talk red flags, what about the 23 handles?) are already franchise cornerstones? You serious? Giannis is fucking big time, Im not taking 1 of those 2 for him.
Lol council. Wow
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Post by bluechips23 on Sept 2, 2017 2:40:06 GMT -6
Hype train coming through... Bobby-Kenon-McG/Bmac-Melo-Lebron-shelton are contending SFs, everyone else is just a patch in attempt to hold the flooding back. Giannis is at the top of level 2 but still level 2, Giannis-cowens-craig-Dr.J-Gervin-Wilkes-millsap-gay-haywood/roundfield-finley-McNeil-truck. Very good pieces, just not pieces to go all in for, with 2 top 5 picks
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Post by Keyser Soze on Sept 2, 2017 2:46:19 GMT -6
Millsap is a PF. The rest of the names you're including Giannis with are pretty insulting.
I'd say he's a lot closer to level 1 than being on the same level as a 39.1 fg% scorer like Rudy Gay.
But agree to disagree.
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Post by ClauseIsAWarrior on Sept 2, 2017 7:19:38 GMT -6
non guards with steals and blocks over 65
Bobby Jones, Dominic Mills, Rudy Gay, Lonny Shelton, Kim Hughes, Cherokee Parks, Antonio McDyess, KG, Tyrus Thomas,Sam Lacey, Darnell Hillman, Don Reid, Gus Gerard, Robin Jones, Greek Freak
So the players on this list are either top level players or role players (most are Rebound/Defense and no Offense types). Really no in between.
Let's be serious bluechips, FDA has a sure thing in Giannis. He's taking a lottery ticket in JRich. Look at his ratings he's B- C+ C+ B- C and remember that Training Camp in FBB is random. Players do not always develop. Sometimes old guys with 45 potential bust out at the age of 34 to become players.
I need a guard for my team next season. I would take Giannis in a heartbeat and start him at SG. Of course I would not get him since I would tell FDA he's not getting Gasol from me.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2017 7:50:55 GMT -6
way too much... one for one is kinda reasonable, 2 for 1 is self destruction in my opinion. King is a top 6 pick in this draft, in a good draft at that, And to add a top level rookie (#5) for a camped out max salary player, albeit young, to a team that doesnt have any pieces to use the big max to contend. Giannis is a good piece, but his ceiling is nearly reached (65 pot left), hes almost all done camping, is a tweener (bad reb/strength/per d for a SF) red flag*, making 17 mill+, and is isnt a #1 or even really #2 option on a good team. and thats no offence to giannis, he is a solid 3, and great non option. but getting a good 3 or great non option, isnt worth losing 2 franchise cornerstones on cheap contracts. TO me. Imagine thinking a 23 year old Giannis with a ton of camps left has maxed his potential. Lol. I didn't even have the cash to camp King + 5 next year, nor did I love anyone available to me at 5. I'll be tanking again, playing the long game, preparing to strike when your pick conveys to me in 1982, along with Heat and Raptors picks. I got an actual franchise player and FDA got 2 cheap young pieces to compliment what he already has.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2017 7:55:54 GMT -6
Hype train coming through... Bobby-Kenon-McG/Bmac-Melo-Lebron-shelton are contending SFs, everyone else is just a patch in attempt to hold the flooding back. Giannis is at the top of level 2 but still level 2, Giannis-cowens-craig-Dr.J-Gervin-Wilkes-millsap-gay-haywood/roundfield-finley-McNeil-truck. Very good pieces, just not pieces to go all in for, with 2 top 5 picks Jones / Kenon / McG / Lebron / Shelton / Dr J are the only ones better than Giannis that you named, and outside of Lebron they are all 4+ years older than him. Giannis is a lot better than Carmelo. In one breath, Giannis is a liability on d (?)...but then Carmelo is somehow better when Giannis is better in every single defensive category? A lot of these other guys you named aren't even close.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2017 7:59:23 GMT -6
Dear god. Some extremely bad takes in this thread. Pau Gasol is 1 year younger than Giannis and will never be anywhere near as good. Lol
Watch and learn. He'll be my max guy. I'll tank until 1982 and hopefully will add solid pieces, and then when my 4 first round picks in 82 all come in, I'll have a sure for max guy, 3-4 rookie deals, and a ton of cap. Context is a thing
I'm about done defending myself. You also are going to have to wait and see for a couple seasons before my real team comes to fruition
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Post by bluechips23 on Sept 2, 2017 9:47:57 GMT -6
We've seen this many times before already... But i guess history repeats itself.
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Post by bluechips23 on Sept 2, 2017 9:57:10 GMT -6
The only thing thats happening in 2 seasons (with current rosters) is: Knicks dominating, 76ers/Hawks fight for 2 in east, and moses will continue being moses. And I might throw in an X factor with my players leaving..
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2017 10:14:31 GMT -6
The only thing thats happening in 2 seasons (with current rosters) is: Knicks dominating, 76ers/Hawks fight for 2 in east, and moses will continue being moses. And I might throw in an X factor with my players leaving.. Hence why I'm not going for it anytime soon, I'm gearing up for the post-Knicks / sixers / a Lebron era
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Post by bluechips23 on Sept 2, 2017 10:20:20 GMT -6
except, that by making this deal, u lengthened the knicks run by 3 more seasons.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2017 10:21:49 GMT -6
except, that by making this deal, u lengthened the knicks run by 3 more seasons. Yeah so, the thing about trading is I do it to benefit myself. If the Knicks become my problem then things are going right for me. Not my fault FDA was smart and loaded up on young talent post dispersal.
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Post by bluechips23 on Sept 2, 2017 10:28:06 GMT -6
you don't really benefit yourself though, it just appears to.. you just strengthened the wall you will have to run through eventually to reach your goal, if a ring is your goal. This moves just feels nice. I get it. I've made my stance clear. My vote is just 1 vote anyway. We will see how things play out like usual. Yet, almost no one ever comes clean later saying, yeah I shouldn't have done that.. To his credit, I think Offthebench might have, after the biedrins knicks donation.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2017 10:36:43 GMT -6
you don't really benefit yourself though, it just appears to.. you just strengthened the wall you will have to run through eventually to reach your goal, if a ring is your goal. This moves just feels nice. I get it. I've made my stance clear. My vote is just 1 vote anyway. We will see how things play out like usual. Yet, almost no one ever comes clean later saying, yeah I shouldn't have done that.. To his credit, I think Offthebench might have, after the biedrins knicks donation. Neither King nor Richardson will be close to what Giannis is. I have less than $1K in the bank. I couldn't camp either, and I get my Lebron "slower-downer" if such a thing exists. Giannis will get camped every single year he is on my team and will be a top 5-10 guy in all of ITP, easily. Trade council rules 1. To protect newbies 2. To protect the integrity of the league I am not a newbie, nor am I compromising the integrity of the league as the trade is even and I don't know FDA, nor do I want to help him. By your own rules it doesn't seem like you would have any jurisdiction over this trade. Outside of you and Don, who else is in the council? Don knows me from another league so I would be surprised if he does not rule in my favor.
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Post by bluechips23 on Sept 2, 2017 10:41:28 GMT -6
you don't really benefit yourself though, it just appears to.. you just strengthened the wall you will have to run through eventually to reach your goal, if a ring is your goal. This moves just feels nice. I get it. I've made my stance clear. My vote is just 1 vote anyway. We will see how things play out like usual. Yet, almost no one ever comes clean later saying, yeah I shouldn't have done that.. To his credit, I think Offthebench might have, after the biedrins knicks donation. Neither King nor Richardson will be close to what Giannis is. I have less than $1K in the bank. I couldn't camp either, and I get my Lebron "slower-downer" if such a thing exists. Giannis will get camped every single year he is on my team and will be a top 5-10 guy in all of ITP, easily. Trade council rules 1. To protect newbies 2. To protect the integrity of the league I am not a newbie, nor am I compromising the integrity of the league as the trade is even and I don't know FDA, nor do I want to help him. By your own rules it doesn't seem like you would have any jurisdiction over this trade. Outside of you and Don, who else is in the council? Don knows me from another league so I would be surprised if he does not rule in my favor. Slow down bud. Anyone can request a trade council. I'm not on the council. And you are new to itp. Knowing gms is a plus, but you are still new here. ITP is a different beast. But once again, I am one vote. 3 votes needed for council THEN council votes. So chill, it's not like I'm railroading this.
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Post by Keyser Soze on Sept 2, 2017 10:42:10 GMT -6
You're talking to the guy like he's wearing a helmet on his head. He's no fool, in fact he's been one of the sharpest GMs in then leagle since he joined.
Got Hoiberg and your 82 pick for free. Showcased him and flipped him for 2 picks and $300.
Then got $500 and that valuable Heat 82 pick for Elmore.
He's not going to have run through any walls. Pretty soon he's gonna have the ammunition to just blow the fucking wall down.
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Post by bluechips23 on Sept 2, 2017 10:48:20 GMT -6
Rofl. Come on fda, blowing smoke? Are you planning on trading Hardaway and aldridge?
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