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Post by crazyguy2010 on Jul 6, 2017 10:20:10 GMT -6
Nick Young to the Warriors is interesting. A guy who loves to jack up 3s in transisition and is pretty effective doing so. Hard to get alot of looks with Curry,Klay, KD and Iggy tho but if someone gets hurt he should be able help fill the void as far as scoring goes.
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Post by Keyser Soze on Jul 6, 2017 10:32:39 GMT -6
Depends how many minutes he gets. But since they're giving their full 5.2 mil exception to him I think they see a significant role.
And with multiple guys flying at Curry, Durant, KD (Iggy and Green as well). And with how unselfish the Warrriors play. You could see Young get some open looks and average near 10 ppg in 20 or so MPG.
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Post by crazyguy2010 on Jul 6, 2017 10:39:51 GMT -6
The Rockets need to add another good/decent player or two because after the starting 5 of Paul-Harden-Ariza-Anderson-Capela they aren't that deep IMO
They really only have Nene,Gordon and Tucker coming of the bench who are proven guys and Nene to me isn't someone I'd count on to play a lot of mins either coming of the injury he had. Ryan Kelly is someone who may do decent but hasn't seen many mins in the NBA since 13-14 & 14-15 seasons and when he did only put up 8ppg & 6ppg and not much else production.
Zhou Qi,Shawn Long,Chinanu Onuaku,Tim Quarterman,Isaiah Taylor,Jarrod Uthoff make out the rest of the roster rn and besides Zhou none of them to me should be counted on to play much. A Lot of questions for Zhou Qi, I know he can shoot but is pretty thin so how he holds up and fairs vs players in the NBA is something yet to be seen.
To me the Rockets badly need a big who can defend and grab rebounds when Capela is on the bench without having to count on Nene so much.
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Post by Keyser Soze on Jul 6, 2017 10:47:19 GMT -6
Well you know Dantoni he's been a 7-8 man rotation guy dating all the way back to his early Suns day.
Gordon's gonna get the 25+ mpg backing up the guards/plus when they go 3 guards. Tucker's gonna get the 25+ backing up the two Forward slots. And Nene some center minutes. And that's all Dantoni needs.
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Post by crazyguy2010 on Jul 6, 2017 10:55:14 GMT -6
Well you know Dantoni he's been a 7-8 man rotation guy dating all the way back to his early Suns day. Gordon's gonna get the 25+ mpg backing up the guards/plus when they go 3 guards. Tucker's gonna get the 25+ backing up the two Forward slots. And Nene some center minutes. And that's all Dantoni needs. I know he does that but its not gonna work with those 3 because like I said only two players who can legit block shots or rebound is Capela and Nene. We saw what happened last year when Nene got hurt, Tucker is a good defender but doesn't do either of those things.
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Post by crazyguy2010 on Jul 6, 2017 11:24:04 GMT -6
David Lee,JaVale McGee,Greg Monroe,Marreese Speights,David West,Andrew Bogut,Dewayne Dedmon,Kelly Olynyk and Roy Hibbert all on the market and would be a big who can protect the rim and rebound.
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Post by Daboy on Jul 8, 2017 14:46:40 GMT -6
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Post by Keyser Soze on Jul 8, 2017 15:16:04 GMT -6
I don't know what to think. On one hand it's a lot of money, but young SGs like Bazemore and Crabbe got similar deals last summer. Also you're gonna have to overpay to get a RFA that you want, because otherwise your offer will just get matched.
Hardaway played well down the stretch. About 18 ppg over the final 3 months of the regular season. He was the #2 scoring option behind Millsap down the stretch for a playoff team. He's only 25 so he fits the young core of Porzingis, Frank, and Hernangomez.
All in all I kinda like the deal. But of course since its the Knicks the narrative amongst the media will be the Knicks are dumbfucks. Last year when Hardaway was breaking out the peanut gallery media says "I bet the Knicks wish they could have Hardaway jr back now." And now that they get him back theyre stupid for bringing him back.
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Post by don1955 on Jul 18, 2017 9:37:20 GMT -6
so now that alexander has put the rockets up for sale, an it might take a while to do so, will that table the anthony to houston trade talks for a while, as i see if the rockets do get anthony now that it would limit the options for a new owner for trades an such because of salary cap reasons, an even tho the rockets will be sold sooner or later, most likely a new owner might have different feelings about things an would like some flexibility in molding the team their way
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Post by Keyser Soze on Jul 18, 2017 13:26:56 GMT -6
Do you think the trade will happen? It just didn't seem to make sense. Knicks don't want Ryan Anderson, which is the only contract the Rockets would move that matches up with Carmelo's salary. So then comes in the third/fourth team talks, but you gotta give assets up for the other team to take Ryan Anderson. Rockets gave up most of their trade chips in the Paul deal already. So what could they give the Knicks AND the team that's taking Ryan Anderson to get the deal done?
Seems like the Knicks have fucked up Carmelos value so bad over the past year and have gotten into the mindset that Carmelo has to go that it blinded them of the fact that they were giving away Carmelo for nothing. I guess now they've finally woken up and realized this which has stalled the trade.
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Post by bluechips23 on Jul 18, 2017 14:13:01 GMT -6
Do you think the trade will happen? It just didn't seem to make sense. Knicks don't want Ryan Anderson, which is the only contract the Rockets would move that matches up with Carmelo's salary. So then comes in the third/fourth team talks, but you gotta give assets up for the other team to take Ryan Anderson. Rockets gave up most of their trade chips in the Paul deal already. So what could they give the Knicks AND the team that's taking Ryan Anderson to get the deal done? Seems like the Knicks have fucked up Carmelos value so bad over the past year and have gotten into the mindset that Carmelo has to go that it blinded them of the fact that they were giving away Carmelo for nothing. I guess now they've finally woken up and realized this which has stalled the trade. And only the suns and nets have any real cap space.
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Post by don1955 on Jul 18, 2017 17:36:52 GMT -6
yeah even tho i have heard that the pelicans want anderson back i just dont think it will happen, as like you say the rockets dont have enough trade chips to give both ny/no stuff, an really i dont care if it dont happen, ha
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Post by crazyguy2010 on Jul 18, 2017 19:02:27 GMT -6
Do you think the trade will happen? It just didn't seem to make sense. Knicks don't want Ryan Anderson, which is the only contract the Rockets would move that matches up with Carmelo's salary. So then comes in the third/fourth team talks, but you gotta give assets up for the other team to take Ryan Anderson. Rockets gave up most of their trade chips in the Paul deal already. So what could they give the Knicks AND the team that's taking Ryan Anderson to get the deal done? Seems like the Knicks have fucked up Carmelos value so bad over the past year and have gotten into the mindset that Carmelo has to go that it blinded them of the fact that they were giving away Carmelo for nothing. I guess now they've finally woken up and realized this which has stalled the trade. And only the suns and nets have any real cap space. I heard they would be giving up a mixture of picks,Anderson,Gordon and Capela. Knicks want Capela to pair with Porzingis and would get at least one first. Other teams involved would get Anderson,Gordon and picks along with lesser players on non guaranteed.
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Post by crazyguy2010 on Jul 18, 2017 19:03:45 GMT -6
As much as I wouldn't mind the Rockets adding MeloI think giving up Gordon and Capela wouldn't be worth it.
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Post by don1955 on Jul 19, 2017 8:19:39 GMT -6
nah i dont see capela going anywhere, or gordon either, it makes no sense to deal them, picks an anderson an fillers or most likely or nothing
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Post by bluechips23 on Jul 19, 2017 9:09:00 GMT -6
nah i dont see capela going anywhere, or gordon either, it makes no sense to deal them, picks an anderson an fillers or most likely or nothing I don't see capella or ariza moving. Granted, rockets might move capella if they have to and have a backup plan. Like signing a big like javale Mcgee to a league min. Besides capella, they don't have much assets left though. Zou qi and onuaku are prospects bit nothing special. And I'm not sure what their future picks status is after the Clippers trade
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Post by crazyguy2010 on Jul 19, 2017 9:36:54 GMT -6
nah i dont see capela going anywhere, or gordon either, it makes no sense to deal them, picks an anderson an fillers or most likely or nothing They are gonna have to give up more than picks,Anderson and fillers to make this happen. Rockets picks aren't gonna be very valuable with the team they have rn let alone adding Melo. If it happens going to be a 4 team trade so they are gonna have to give the team taking Anderson something of value for basically taking his contract.
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Post by crazyguy2010 on Jul 19, 2017 9:45:32 GMT -6
nah i dont see capela going anywhere, or gordon either, it makes no sense to deal them, picks an anderson an fillers or most likely or nothing I don't see capella or ariza moving. Granted, rockets might move capella if they have to and have a backup plan. Like signing a big like javale Mcgee to a league min. Besides capella, they don't have much assets left though. Zou qi and onuaku are prospects bit nothing special. And I'm not sure what their future picks status is after the Clippers trade We'll that's the main person the Knicks want is Capela since Harden and Paul aren't moving, Ariza is a good friend of Melo & Paul he isn't going anywhere. Other than that Gordon,Nene,Tucker and Anderson are the only other players with any value. Nene is 34 so not much value besides to a contending team which most likely none of teams in the trade besides the Rockets will be. Tucker they just signed and from what I read are pretty high on so doubt hes moving. So only leaves Gordon and Anderson. Anderson wouldn't be moving for value in the trade just to open salary so the team that takes them will want more than him and the other team will want something of value along with the Knicks. The Rockets picks aren't gonna be very valuable being they will win alot of games.
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Post by don1955 on Jul 19, 2017 10:15:11 GMT -6
the reason i dont see them trading capela/ariza/gordon/etc. is who will be able to play at the pf/c positions as anthony will most likely be a sf/sometimes pf, ariza an capela most likely will play pf/c a lot, players such as nene cannot play all the time, he is better used like he was last year, this qi guy is not the answer, an who will come off the bench to score or play defense, no one of value really other than maybe tucker/black, in dantoni's system some one has to score off the bench
i would rather run with a team of harden/paul/ariza/capela/anderson/gordon/etc than with a team of harden/paul/melo an a bunch of bench players
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Post by crazyguy2010 on Jul 19, 2017 10:30:04 GMT -6
the reason i dont see them trading capela/ariza/gordon/etc. is who will be able to play at the pf/c positions as anthony will most likely be a sf/sometimes pf, ariza an capela most likely will play pf/c a lot, players such as nene cannot play all the time, he is better used like he was last year, this qi guy is not the answer, an who will come off the bench to score or play defense, no one of value really other than maybe tucker/black, in dantoni's system some one has to score off the bench i would rather run with a team of harden/paul/ariza/capela/anderson/gordon/etc than with a team of harden/paul/melo an a bunch of bench players I agree with you I wouldn't make the trade either I'm just saying that's what the trade talk rumors I've seen have been. I wouldn't give more than Anderson and picks to get Melo myself but Knicks don't want Anderson so they would have to dump him on another team with something valuable to make it worth doing so alone not to mention give the Knicks something and if they have to use a 4th team. Myself I see just any pair of Gordon,Anderson, Capela more valuable because the reason's you said than Melo let alone all three going for him plus picks.
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