hunt54
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Post by hunt54 on Jul 4, 2016 14:13:15 GMT -6
The Mavs shut down kd a few games in their playoff series but Russ and Ibaka did whatever they wanted
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Post by yourkers15 on Jul 4, 2016 14:23:59 GMT -6
Durant played as much hero ball as westbrook. Can just go look at these playoffs to see. Either way Durant signing with the warriors for 2 years showed everyone that they were wrong bout him. He bout the money and chasing a championship. Oh well hope they fail big time as this would become the biggest laugher of all time. If someone gets hurt the warriors are fucked as they will have zero depth. I would disagree that it's about the money. He could have made more money at OKC. It's solely about odds of winning a championship. He realized that OKC is not as close to winning a title as their series with the Warriors would indicate (Curry just coming back from the knee injury early in the series), and that he's not getting any younger. It's funny to hear known Lebron fans trying to give KD a hard time, after their boy was the one who made this move famous. The money part is taking the 2 year contract so he can opt out next year and make 40 mill. People expected him to sign long term and not the LeBron 2 year deal. Also OKC to me with the moves they made would of been better than the Warriors. The addition of Oladipo was huge as they never had a reliable 2 way 2 guard. Now they got it. Durant took the easy way out. He could of been a god if he won in OKC now he will just another guy who won a ring.
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Post by bluechips23 on Jul 4, 2016 14:31:02 GMT -6
The Mavs shut down kd a few games in their playoff series but Russ and Ibaka did whatever they wanted That was probably their game plan. As in the past, Westbrook could score 35 and lose on a daily basis but if kd got hot they were near impossible to stop as Westbrook would still get his.
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Post by sidtiancam on Jul 4, 2016 14:53:05 GMT -6
I would disagree that it's about the money. He could have made more money at OKC. It's solely about odds of winning a championship. He realized that OKC is not as close to winning a title as their series with the Warriors would indicate (Curry just coming back from the knee injury early in the series), and that he's not getting any younger. It's funny to hear known Lebron fans trying to give KD a hard time, after their boy was the one who made this move famous. The money part is taking the 2 year contract so he can opt out next year and make 40 mill. People expected him to sign long term and not the LeBron 2 year deal. Also OKC to me with the moves they made would of been better than the Warriors. The addition of Oladipo was huge as they never had a reliable 2 way 2 guard. Now they got it. Durant took the easy way out. He could of been a god if he won in OKC now he will just another guy who won a ring. It's hard for us to comprehend that kind of money, but wouldn't you do the same thing in his shoes (taking the shorter term deal to make more in future years)? I'm not trying to sound pro-KD, or anti-Lebron. There are only a handful of guys in the league that can do this, and have teams still line up at the door for them. KD is one of them, just as Lebron is one of them. Lebron is doing the same thing with the Cavs. It's sound business, if you have the clout to be able to do it. Regarding having a better chance in OKC at a championship, I'd still disagree with you about that. Take Durant out of the picture (he'd be at either place), would you rather have a team of Westbrook/Oladipo/Adams around you as your other core guys, or Curry/Thompson/Green? I'll take the latter, any day of the week, and twice on Sundays. That's not even counting looking at the next 3-4 guys in the rotation (Kanter/Waiters/? for the Thunder, Igoudala/Livingston/Barbosa for the Warriors). Westbrook is probably the most athletically gifted player I've ever seen. He requires the ball in his hands A LOT. Curry, for what he does, is at his best coming off of screens, and them moving the ball around.
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Post by sforsyth10 on Jul 4, 2016 14:59:05 GMT -6
As much as KD is leaving for championship reasons, another major factor in his decision was his friendships with Steph and Draymond.
During their last World Cup run, the three of them bonded over bible study in the team hotel every morning. KD explained this decision as one that "improves him as a player and as a man."
So if the guy wants to go play basketball with 2 of his best friends and win a championship while he's at it?? I can fault him at all.
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Post by yourkers15 on Jul 4, 2016 15:06:00 GMT -6
The money part is taking the 2 year contract so he can opt out next year and make 40 mill. People expected him to sign long term and not the LeBron 2 year deal. Also OKC to me with the moves they made would of been better than the Warriors. The addition of Oladipo was huge as they never had a reliable 2 way 2 guard. Now they got it. Durant took the easy way out. He could of been a god if he won in OKC now he will just another guy who won a ring. It's hard for us to comprehend that kind of money, but wouldn't you do the same thing in his shoes (taking the shorter term deal to make more in future years)? I'm not trying to sound pro-KD, or anti-Lebron. There are only a handful of guys in the league that can do this, and have teams still line up at the door for them. KD is one of them, just as Lebron is one of them. Lebron is doing the same thing with the Cavs. It's sound business, if you have the clout to be able to do it. Regarding having a better chance in OKC at a championship, I'd still disagree with you about that. Take Durant out of the picture (he'd be at either place), would you rather have a team of Westbrook/Oladipo/Adams around you as your other core guys, or Curry/Thompson/Green? I'll take the latter, any day of the week, and twice on Sundays. That's not even counting looking at the next 3-4 guys in the rotation (Kanter/Waiters/? for the Thunder, Igoudala/Livingston/Barbosa for the Warriors). Westbrook is probably the most athletically gifted player I've ever seen. He requires the ball in his hands A LOT. Curry, for what he does, is at his best coming off of screens, and them moving the ball around. This yeah all the Warriors have this Durant/Curry/Thompson/Green/AI/Livingston and that is it. They can't sign Barbosa, no speights, now no bogut and barnes. They will only have about 2 mill to spend to fill out the rest of their roster. They have the players they have drafted in this year and last. I get where you are coming from in the money stand point but that was not suppose to be Durant. He was expected to be about the team and setting himself up for the future. N Lebron we always knew he was about him and about becoming a billionaire as he has said it forever. Durant you would not expect a move like this from him. N to answer your question I take the thunders core over the warriors. Curry and Thompson are not clutch players when it matters. Also you need depth to win. N with the move the thunder just got for Ibaka it made them even deeper. All they missed was a guy like Oladipo and that would mean you put Robertson on the bench and add a guy like Sabonis who would of been a solid big off the bench for them. The Thunder would of been at least 8-9 deep instead of the Warriors only having 6 players of value. If they get injured they are screwed. N if they had Oladipo on the thunder this year they beat the warriors in at least one of those last 3 games and they are in the finals.
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Post by bluechips23 on Jul 4, 2016 15:06:06 GMT -6
And I'm not saying I didn't lose some respect for kd because I certainly did, but I think equating it to lebron isnt quite correct. Lebron built this image of bringing a ring Home, since he was drafted, had gm control, and then left in a disgraceful manner on live TV, then acted arrogant as hell with his concert in Miami. That was a bad look all around. I loved him before all that but the braggadocious way he conducted himself was impossible to respect or understand. Durant is leaving okc, where he has been for 8 years, but it certainly wasn't his home and wasn't his first city to play in even, nor does he run the teams personnel (by choice), and as far as now he has made this change with respect and humbleness. And that's without taking in the chemistry with Westbrook and the annual playoff loss to better run organizations top to bottom like spurs and warriors.
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Post by yourkers15 on Jul 4, 2016 15:06:25 GMT -6
As much as KD is leaving for championship reasons, another major factor in his decision was his friendships with Steph and Draymond. During their last World Cup run, the three of them bonded over bible study in the team hotel every morning. KD explained this decision as one that "improves him as a player and as a man." So if the guy wants to go play basketball with 2 of his best friends and win a championship while he's at it?? I can fault him at all. It was Iggy not Draymond
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Post by yourkers15 on Jul 4, 2016 15:08:30 GMT -6
And I'm not saying I didn't lose some respect for kd because I certainly did, but I think equating it to lebron isnt quite correct. Lebron built this image of bringing a ring Home, since he was drafted, had gm control, and then left in a disgraceful manner on live TV, then acted arrogant as hell with his concert in Miami. That was a bad look all around. I loved him before all that but the braggadocious way he conducted himself was impossible to respect or understand. Durant is leaving okc, where he has been for 8 years, but it certainly wasn't his home and wasn't his first city to play in even, nor does he run the teams personnel (by choice), and as far as now he has made this change with respect and humbleness. And that's without taking in the chemistry with Westbrook and the annual playoff loss to better run organizations top to bottom like spurs and warriors. Durant was offered a role in the Oklahoma community and in congress. Not sure how he turns that down.
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Post by sidtiancam on Jul 4, 2016 15:23:23 GMT -6
Wow, I'd be interested to know if anyone else would take the Thunder core over the Warrior core, excluding KD from both. To me, it's not even close, in favor of the Warriors. I would even be willing to concede that Westbrook would possibly be the best player of them all (talent wise), but then the next 3, and possibly 4, guys, I would take would be from the Warriors.
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Post by yourkers15 on Jul 4, 2016 15:33:24 GMT -6
I take depth over anything. Being a spurs fan we have shown without a bench you can't win. Just go look at Lebrons teams that won in Miami. Battier and Miller were key against the thunder and against the spurs without ray allen they do not win. The warriors will have no depth unless there are some vets that are willing to get paid pennies on the dollar.
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Post by sidtiancam on Jul 4, 2016 15:51:44 GMT -6
I take depth over anything. Being a spurs fan we have shown without a bench you can't win. Just go look at Lebrons teams that won in Miami. Battier and Miller were key against the thunder and against the spurs without ray allen they do not win. The warriors will have no depth unless there are some vets that are willing to get paid pennies on the dollar. I think you will see that there will be some guys who will chase the ring at a very small salary. Particularly a big guy or two who know they will also have an opportunity to play with this group.
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Post by hunt54 on Jul 4, 2016 15:53:14 GMT -6
I take depth over anything. Being a spurs fan we have shown without a bench you can't win. Just go look at Lebrons teams that won in Miami. Battier and Miller were key against the thunder and against the spurs without ray allen they do not win. The warriors will have no depth unless there are some vets that are willing to get paid pennies on the dollar. I think you will see that there will be some guys who will chase the ring at a very small salary. Particularly a big guy or two who know they will also have an opportunity to play with this group. DIRK ....
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Post by bluechips23 on Jul 4, 2016 16:56:34 GMT -6
Knicks sign Brandon Jennings, nice move as they have a viable backup to rose in case of injury while adding some more outside shooting.
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Post by Keyser Soze on Jul 5, 2016 0:14:33 GMT -6
Rose Lee Jennings is gonna be a lot better than the bullshit backcourt last year.
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Post by Daboy on Jul 5, 2016 13:26:32 GMT -6
Looks like the Warriors are going to be the team in the Western Conference I root for...they signed the best player in the league. ZAZA PACHUUUUUUUUUULIA
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Post by bluechips23 on Jul 5, 2016 15:35:27 GMT -6
Looks like the Warriors are going to be the team in the Western Conference I root for...they signed the best player in the league. ZAZA PACHUUUUUUUUUULIA and now they just signed david west for the league min. the rich get richer
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Post by Daboy on Jul 5, 2016 15:41:52 GMT -6
Looks like the Warriors are going to be the team in the Western Conference I root for...they signed the best player in the league. ZAZA PACHUUUUUUUUUULIA and now they just signed david west for the league min. the rich get richer dont care. Zaza is the fucking man!
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Post by bluechips23 on Jul 6, 2016 19:36:25 GMT -6
Well, it looks like the bulls will sign wade. Its gonna be weird seeing the change of the team next year. Rose and Noah gone, and rondo and wade taking over. So it looks like it will be rondo-wade-butler-gibson-portis/Lopez, but Lopez might be moved for cap
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Post by mpatt75 on Jul 6, 2016 19:39:24 GMT -6
Calderon and Dunleavy are gone for cap.
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