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Post by bluechips23 on Jul 29, 2015 23:55:18 GMT -6
Bucks Trade:
Okur Brandon
Wizards Trade:
Pau Gasol
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Post by greeme on Jul 29, 2015 23:58:12 GMT -6
Nice for the wiz
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Post by bluechips23 on Jul 30, 2015 0:15:43 GMT -6
its late so i wont get into all details now, i will just list some facts.
Pau gasol is a 1-2 scorer, a pillar, that has everything you want from a big. Okur is a 3rd or non option, that has no inside scoring ability. The great bigs in this league have very good inside scoring and jumpshooting, which pau does. Okur, is a strong SF. Okur has been camped almost across the board in the adventagous categories atleast once, except big man rang campe (which is a positive). Pau has not been inside scoring camped at all, nor scoring camped. if gasol is loose ball camped 2x, or even a inside scoring camp and loose ball camp, you have a COMPLETE Big thats better defensively/scoring/rebounding than okur. Sure Okur can be camped too but even camped, you would be looking at a outside shooting SF/PF that doesnt rebound as well nor play defense well in any category. So to me, even as an outside scoring team, i would not even think of moving gasol for okur unless i got more, and brandon is equivalent to a young buckner, so dont even try to argue that value. yea the wizards get cap, but with their record last year, and IMO bad draft selection, it is not like the wizards have a high % of landing a top FA. On top of all that, this is a move by a guy who just quit and came back for the reason of "fuck it, its a game i wont take seriously". With that i am done with this thread, no responses, have at it.
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Post by erichoya97 on Jul 30, 2015 6:22:21 GMT -6
For me I was looking at a 3 max player situation on a team that has frankly underperformed. I traded for salary flexibility and a better fit in an outside scoring pace-oriented system. While draft picks can be scrutinized none of my picks could be characterized as terrible, I think they made sense for the time they were made. Would I go back and pick Curry over Griffin? Probably but I have to live with the pick. Perkins this year gave me B+/B+ Defense rebounding out the gate from a position I'm not worried about getting scoring from.
I'm not going to defend my reasons for being in the league any further. I had second thoughts and I'm back. My focus is the team and this was hardly a "f*** it" trade.
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Post by John1974 on Jul 30, 2015 8:04:09 GMT -6
He gets okur who puts up similar numbers to pau, and Brandon who has good potential, and should be starting. I gave up alot to go for a win now deal.
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Post by yourkers15 on Jul 30, 2015 13:27:38 GMT -6
Okur fits a scheme better. He goes with an outside offense with bird/Peyton/okur I believe he will play plenty better. I did pretty well when I had him starting. Plus there is a bigger picture like the cap he gets. It's bout building a team. Not everyone can be as lucky as the Knicks and run 3 stars next to all bums and win.
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Post by John1974 on Jul 30, 2015 13:50:41 GMT -6
Don't see what the issue is the Wizards get more back and it helps both teams.
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Post by Keyser Soze on Jul 31, 2015 3:51:23 GMT -6
Okur fits a scheme better. He goes with an outside offense with bird/Peyton/okur I believe he will play plenty better. I did pretty well when I had him starting. Plus there is a bigger picture like the cap he gets. It's bout building a team. Not everyone can be as lucky as the Knicks and run 3 stars next to all bums and win. Bums? You mean somebody like Diop? Who fits a scheme because of his rebounding/defense fits in with the rest of the team, and helps the cap by making only 2.8 mil, and therefore helps toward building a team? You're contradicting yourself. And you got it fucked up. You make your own luck. You invest 40 camps in jones, Beasley, Batum they're gonna be monsters. If you keep retooling every 2-3 years and building a different core, you don't get that same return on your investment. You think it's a coincidence that the Nuggets are a championship contender every year with Chenier, Knight, Burleson? They put 30 camps into those guys, and they've stuck with them and they're reaping the benefits of it. Then you look at 3 number 1 overall draft picks Gasol, Payton, Bird with a total of 9 camps between them. That's the difference. You invest in your good/borderline star guys they'll be superstars. If you don't then they won't. It's a simple game.
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Post by yourkers15 on Jul 31, 2015 11:26:15 GMT -6
Okur fits a scheme better. He goes with an outside offense with bird/Peyton/okur I believe he will play plenty better. I did pretty well when I had him starting. Plus there is a bigger picture like the cap he gets. It's bout building a team. Not everyone can be as lucky as the Knicks and run 3 stars next to all bums and win. Bums? You mean somebody like Diop? Who fits a scheme because of his rebounding/defense fits in with the rest of the team, and helps the cap by making only 2.8 mil, and therefore helps toward building a team? You're contradicting yourself. And you got it fucked up. You make your own luck. You invest 40 camps in jones, Beasley, Batum they're gonna be monsters. If you keep retooling every 2-3 years and building a different core, you don't get that same return on your investment. You think it's a coincidence that the Nuggets are a championship contender every year with Chenier, Knight, Burleson? They put 30 camps into those guys, and they've stuck with them and they're reaping the benefits of it. Then you look at 3 number 1 overall draft picks Gasol, Payton, Bird with a total of 9 camps between them. That's the difference. You invest in your good/borderline star guys they'll be superstars. If you don't then they won't. It's a simple game. Yes he fits a system. One that yours only involves 3 people to score. N don't act like he is something special. He is a player that would usually be a backup not a starter. N I am sorry to offend you with the word bums. How bout bench players. That work for you? N yes you are right it is a very simple game. One you are willing to invest very highly in. Most people are not willing to sit there and write the amount of articles you do or have the time to. I put my interest in trade talks and putting different teams together as to me I can compete with anything that how simple the game is.
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Post by Keyser Soze on Jul 31, 2015 14:59:37 GMT -6
Bums? You mean somebody like Diop? Who fits a scheme because of his rebounding/defense fits in with the rest of the team, and helps the cap by making only 2.8 mil, and therefore helps toward building a team? You're contradicting yourself. And you got it fucked up. You make your own luck. You invest 40 camps in jones, Beasley, Batum they're gonna be monsters. If you keep retooling every 2-3 years and building a different core, you don't get that same return on your investment. You think it's a coincidence that the Nuggets are a championship contender every year with Chenier, Knight, Burleson? They put 30 camps into those guys, and they've stuck with them and they're reaping the benefits of it. Then you look at 3 number 1 overall draft picks Gasol, Payton, Bird with a total of 9 camps between them. That's the difference. You invest in your good/borderline star guys they'll be superstars. If you don't then they won't. It's a simple game. Yes he fits a system. One that yours only involves 3 people to score. N don't act like he is something special. He is a player that would usually be a backup not a starter. N I am sorry to offend you with the word bums. How bout bench players. That work for you? N yes you are right it is a very simple game. One you are willing to invest very highly in. Most people are not willing to sit there and write the amount of articles you do or have the time to. I put my interest in trade talks and putting different teams together as to me I can compete with anything that how simple the game is. Oh you mean the 4 articles in the last 2 seasons? Shit how could anybody compete with that? Still had 3GS for 6 camps this year. So let's not talk a bunch of bullshit please. I'm trying to school you on something. There's plenty of cash that's laying on the ground that you just gotta pick up. Bets, claims, and typing "same" isn't that hard. But some people don't do it. Some people camp the wrong players. Some people trade with no end goal in mind. The whole thing is you get 3 guys and you invest into them. That's it. You don't get one guy 1-2 years work on him,trade him, and camp the guy you traded him for. Cause then you're on a fucking treadmill. But you don't wanna learn. You wanna pretend like I rubbed a genies ass and he farted out Jones, Batum, Beasley just for me. And I'm lucky and nobody else can achieve this. Keep pretending then. Btw Diop 13.4 RPG and 3.9 BPG in the playoffs. Did a pretty good defensive job on Moses. What a bum.
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Post by yourkers15 on Jul 31, 2015 15:33:35 GMT -6
N what do I need to learn? I am ultra competitive in all the league I have ever been in. I enjoy new things and do not care to sit there on the same thing over and over like you do. N yeah you do not need to write a bunch like you use to because you are guaranteed so much from the all-stars to end of season awards. So even without betting you are guaranteed way more cash than any other team out there. N also there is plenty of luck involved at the same time. If training camps don't play a big part you do not end up with super players. Come on now Jones was a stud PG sitting with C+ handles. It was mind boggling.
N also when you say "I am trying to school you on something" like winning in a sim league is a life achievement. I do this for fun and help to pass the time. You take it to that next step.
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Post by Keyser Soze on Jul 31, 2015 15:47:21 GMT -6
N what do I need to learn? I am ultra competitive in all the league I have ever been in. I enjoy new things and do not care to sit there on the same thing over and over like you do. N yeah you do not need to write a bunch like you use to because you are guaranteed so much from the all-stars to end of season awards. So even without betting you are guaranteed way more cash than any other team out there. N also there is plenty of luck involved at the same time. If training camps don't play a big part you do not end up with super players. Come on now Jones was a stud PG sitting with C+ handles. It was mind boggling. N also when you say "I am trying to school you on something" like winning in a sim league is a life achievement. I do this for fun and help to pass the time. You take it to that next step. Yeah play the "it's just a sim league, I gotta real life" card now. So does everybody else in here. I never once bragged about winning a single championship in any of these fucking leagues. And I sure as hell am not making it be a huge "life achievement". You said its luck, I'm saying it's just about having a fucking plan. And I tried explaining it to you. But I can see where that's going.
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Post by yourkers15 on Jul 31, 2015 15:54:21 GMT -6
I never pulled the life card. I said you are making it seem like it is a life's achievement. N let me teach you something like we back in school. Gotta read buddy.
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Post by Keyser Soze on Jul 31, 2015 15:58:21 GMT -6
Right. Good talk.
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