Daboy
1st Rounder
1975 ITP Champs (ITP2), 1987 ITP Champs (ITP3), 1987 GMOTY
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Post by Daboy on Feb 19, 2015 7:10:40 GMT -6
Ughhhh.....I believe this should be automatically protested (since it's an under 30 win team trading it's pick, even though the player has been chosen, it's still in the draft). If it is not automatically protested, sorry guys, but I do protest it. I agree with Klomper here, this is kind of a way to circumvent/cheat the rules in place & should go to council or can't be processed until after FA or something along those lines. I don't have an issue with the trade happening, but not right now...unless a fine or something else is put in place to process. I mean realistically what is the point of having rules & guidelines in place if teams decide to kind of cheat around them. Just my opinion. Again, I have no problem with the trade happening/being allowed at some point, the trade makes sense for both teams. I would love to know how we cheat. There is no rule that states teams with under 30 wins CANT trade draft picks. The tradegoes straight to the council. And the rule is also in place to protect noobs, which i am far from. McGee does make a lot of money, but is 25, and only under contract for three more seasons. So i turn my pick, which i was never happy about in the first place, from a project to a double double guy who gets 4 blocks a game. This trade does not cripple my team financially at all, either. I still have 14+ million in cap space. People just dont like it that fda got cap relief
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Post by Keyser Soze on Feb 19, 2015 7:32:24 GMT -6
Dwightcoward, the same guy who went into my trade block and said not to trade with me so I could get fucked by the hard cap, is upset about the deal. And Bluechips, the guy who liked that same post, is vetoing.. Lol so that's how were gonna play the game huh?
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Post by Keyser Soze on Feb 19, 2015 7:39:30 GMT -6
Just curious am I supposed to just give mcgee away? a 25 year old that averaged 12.4 rpg 5.6 bpg (more blocks than the entire hawks team averaged in the reg season) during the playoffs and shutdown every big man he faced?
Or should we go with Dwight's advice and nobody is allowed to trade with me and then I lose eddie jones to FA next year?
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greeme
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Post by greeme on Feb 19, 2015 7:47:43 GMT -6
Just curious am I supposed to just give mcgee away? a 25 year old that averaged 12.4 rpg 5.6 bpg (more blocks than the entire hawks team averaged in the reg season) during the playoffs and shutdown every big man he faced? Or should we go with Dwight's advice and nobody is allowed to trade with me and then I lose eddie jones to FA next year? you should give him to me so i can beat you
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greeme
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Post by greeme on Feb 19, 2015 7:51:34 GMT -6
1. John should start enforcing the no posting in the trade thread. You can post "veto" and anything else should go in the discussion thread. 2. i have no problem if people trade picks during or after the draft. My problem is the gms that trade a pick 2 years in the future which turns out to be top 5 and it was obvious to everybody else when the trade is made. Here you know what you are trading so you get fair value. 3. this is a fair trade, while i would like everybody to collude against fda and never trade with him i don't think that is fair. Hill is pretty meh tbh. i thought he was still on the board on my last pick and i still took cook. great rebounder who will need a ton of camps to be worth anything ever. mcgee is expensive but he is a stud.
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greeme
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Post by greeme on Feb 19, 2015 7:51:54 GMT -6
fda - don't forget to paypal me the cash
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Post by ClauseIsAWarrior on Feb 19, 2015 9:56:45 GMT -6
Y'all are haters and jealous
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Daboy
1st Rounder
1975 ITP Champs (ITP2), 1987 ITP Champs (ITP3), 1987 GMOTY
Posts: 6,600
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Post by Daboy on Feb 19, 2015 10:23:11 GMT -6
I love how quinn does one liners, then goes away
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afro
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Post by afro on Feb 19, 2015 12:08:19 GMT -6
trade looks fair. yup defiantly some jealous people around here lead by bluechips and dwightcoward
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Daboy
1st Rounder
1975 ITP Champs (ITP2), 1987 ITP Champs (ITP3), 1987 GMOTY
Posts: 6,600
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Post by Daboy on Feb 19, 2015 12:12:57 GMT -6
People only hate it because it gives FDA cap relief. Everyone wants him to get handicapped by the cap. Hell, so do i. But he offered me a 25 year old stud who i can build my team around. I guess im not supposed to do that
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Post by Keyser Soze on Feb 19, 2015 12:33:45 GMT -6
People only hate it because it gives FDA cap relief. Everyone wants him to get handicapped by the cap. Hell, so do i. But he offered me a 25 year old stud who i can build my team around. I guess im not supposed to do that I guess not. The same guy who says he has no problem with rebuilding teams being aggressive to win is vetoing. And yet he's got the nerve to talk about "hypocrisy" lol.
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Post by don1955 on Feb 19, 2015 16:39:02 GMT -6
Or should we go with Dwight's advice and nobody is allowed to trade with me and then I lose eddie jones to FA next year? you wont lose eddie next year unless he just decides not to sign your 7 year max, because of 1 of 2 things happening, either you do get to make a trade to move mcgee or jordan to free up cap space, or if you can not move one of them then you will have to buy one of them out after next season to free up cap space...jmo
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Post by bluechips23 on Feb 19, 2015 17:04:05 GMT -6
yea, or the same shit FDA was complaining about me doing, he does to a greater level. My trade got vetoed, his is worse, by that logic his trade should be vetoed. I was giving a team that Magic Johnson, rookie sharpshooter kendall Gill, and big man defender stacey king, Omer Asik a rebounding stud at 11 million. While FDA gives 20 Million Javale McGee, to a team that has ZERO talent and absolutely no chance to make the playoffs. I am just going by what the trade council now deemed veto worthy. not to mention the whole quitting aspect. Blazers gm is new, but he hasnt quit, Daboy has quit already.
Blazers> Magic, Bayless, Gill, King, (asik) Hawks> kevin willis?
Hawks trade #5 pick Tyrone Hill Blazers trade next years pick, now with Asik, and before FA= Worse than #5
my logic is sound. some of you have things twisted in your head, most likely just because you think a future pick is monumentally better than a current #5 pick which is irrational considering the team structures i already pointed out.
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Daboy
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1975 ITP Champs (ITP2), 1987 ITP Champs (ITP3), 1987 GMOTY
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Post by Daboy on Feb 19, 2015 17:33:31 GMT -6
so this is what im getting from what bluechips has said. this trade should be vetoed because i have quit this league before.
the deal with your trade, blue, is that the Blazers were trading a future pick. that is what the problem with that trade was. more than one person said the Asik for Humphries/cash thing was fine, but with how the league is right now, a current lotto team trading away a pick is pretty frowned upon right now.
now, lets look at this trade. yes, Tyrone Hill was the #5 pick. does that mean he was even the 5th best player in the draft? no. some could argue he wasnt. as of right now, he is a project. B- inside, B- defense, B+ rebounding, A potential. all that looks pretty decent for a 22 year old rookie. but, he could turn out for me like Joe Johnson has. JJ has not progressed for me like i would have hoped. same thing could happen with Hill, and them i am no better than were i started from.
so, now, i turn that #5 project into a double double guy who gets over 4 blocks per game, who is only three years older. yes, he makes 20 million this season. this does not hurt me financially at all, though, as i have no big contracts on my team. not only that, how does it hurt me in the long run? i get McGee until his age 28 season. Hill, i would have only had one season longer. this way, i finally have a player i can build my team around.
and what happens if i dont make the playoffs with me getting McGee? i still have all my own draft picks. the future of my team is no worse with this trade. all i did, was trade a project for a stud 25 year old. i dont get what the big deal is.
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Post by yourkers15 on Feb 19, 2015 17:42:31 GMT -6
before we call McGee a stud lets see what he can do when he is actually apart of the offense. He a beast on defense but who knows if he will even produce offensively. He is shooting 43% for his career. Plus you can call Tyrone Hill a project but he is a project on the Knicks. Look at his other projects. The Knicks always have cash for camps. So expect plnety to go to hill and if nothing changes a couple good TC's and he could be just as useful as McGee if not better.
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Post by bluechips23 on Feb 19, 2015 17:48:58 GMT -6
no actually i pointed numerous reasons why your trade to be veto'd. you quitting previously was just an add-on, to point out the whole not trading picks when you can't get 30 wins might make a owner quit reasoning held just as true with you, if not more, than blazers gm.
you completed ignored the point that blazers got better to make this next years pick worse, while being before Free agency where he has plenty of money to spend, and TC where gill and magic will get better which would further make the pick worse. I didnt trade for 2 picks 2 seasons from now, i traded for the upcoming season, where he can only get better, so the whole future pick being way more valuable holds no reasoning behind it. the only way that pick would be better than a 11 mill starting center is if it was the lebron class which is extremely unlikely to happen.
you however gave a rookie prospect from your team that could help you build a nucleus for a 20 million dollar player, which wont make you a playoff team, take a huge chunk of cap away, and even at 25, after he ends his contract there is a good chance he will ask for more money than his current contract, which would totally kill any build. So you get a player that makes your future picks worse, wont make you make the playoffs, takes a rookie away from you, takes 20 million of cap, and easily be gone in 3 years after not winning you anything and asking for even more of a ludicrous contract.
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Daboy
1st Rounder
1975 ITP Champs (ITP2), 1987 ITP Champs (ITP3), 1987 GMOTY
Posts: 6,600
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Post by Daboy on Feb 20, 2015 5:18:19 GMT -6
Last thing im posting here, since trade was approved
I have been with this league since ITP1. I have won GMOTY awards, and i have won championships. I dont need anyone telling me how my team should be run. Getting McGee doesnt kill me financially and doesn't hurt me in the long run. If i dont make the playoffs, what does he do? Move me from #3 potential lotto to #8? I have a bettershot at winning the lotto from ther! we have had multiple people say the trade is fair. Blue seems to be the only person who is extremely pissed about this, for some reason.
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Post by John1974 on Feb 20, 2015 9:30:31 GMT -6
Blazers pick was most likely lotto hence why the asik trade was nixed. If that pick wasn't in it we would have approved the deal but as it was moving a lotto pick for Asik and more was to much, In the Knicks deal the player going to Hawks is better than the player going to the Knicks the only issue is salary, many wont like it because it helps the Knicks with cap room but the Hawks can take a salary, the get a better player and in a way this does potentially hurt the Knicks because they lose McGee and have no sure thing in Hill.
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Post by Keyser Soze on Feb 20, 2015 9:40:39 GMT -6
Last thing im posting here, since trade was approved I have been with this league since ITP1. I have won GMOTY awards, and i have won championships. I dont need anyone telling me how my team should be run. Getting McGee doesnt kill me financially and doesn't hurt me in the long run. If i dont make the playoffs, what does he do? Move me from #3 potential lotto to #8? I have a bettershot at winning the lotto from ther! we have had multiple people say the trade is fair. Blue seems to be the only person who is extremely pissed about this, for some reason. Too bad. Blues gonna tell u how your team should be run, how the trade council should he run, how the whole fucking league should be run.
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Post by Keyser Soze on Feb 20, 2015 9:53:49 GMT -6
Blazers pick was most likely lotto hence why the asik trade was nixed. If that pick wasn't in it we would have approved the deal but as it was moving a lotto pick for Asik and more was to much, In the Knicks deal the player going to Hawks is better than the player going to the Knicks the only issue is salary, many wont like it because it helps the Knicks with cap room but the Hawks can take a salary, the get a better player and in a way this does potentially hurt the Knicks because they lose McGee and have no sure thing in Hill. Exactly.i thought people would be happy to see that there probably won't be a 4peat.
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