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Post by bluechips23 on Aug 5, 2014 14:41:19 GMT -6
Jazz Send:
George McGinnis Jim Chones Mitch Kupchak
Kings Send:
Derrick Rose
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Post by dwightcoward on Aug 5, 2014 14:48:25 GMT -6
The trade is good for both teams, no question about that
But it's very bad for the league :/
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Post by yourkers15 on Aug 5, 2014 14:51:53 GMT -6
WHat we saw last version of the itp was that the league was run by a few teams and a few teams only. That is do to trades such like this. The Kings turn right into the favorite to win the ship year in and year out. They will have a stacked starting 5 with a solid bench. Plus he doesn't have to spend a dime, will be able to get his most important players bird rights do to him still having his 1000 cash and the amount of cash he will win from awards and playoffs. You get rose but he will need to be camped double time every year and still wouldn't live up to the package you just gave up for him.
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Post by Keyser Soze on Aug 5, 2014 14:53:13 GMT -6
Jazz gets to build around Rose/Love
Kings get the pieces to contend for a championship the next 2 seasons.
It might be bad for the league, because like the Suns/Nuggets trade, my trade with wolves you're creating super teams. But some teams are gonna win now, some wanna build for the future. You can't force everybody to contend.
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Post by bluechips23 on Aug 5, 2014 14:54:15 GMT -6
I thought the reasoning was pretty clear but i guess i will point it out. At first I didnt plan on trading McGinnis, but after getting the #1 pick in the new draft, and trying to find a reason not to draft Kevin Love because my roster full of PFs, I had to go with him because he easily has the highest ceiling. Once I got him, i saw kings were thinking about trading #4 pick. So i inquired about it and he told me he had offers of 2 top creation picks and cash/pick for the #4. The market set that price. So deciding between contending but always being fighting an uphill battle vs Moses/Kaj and the other elite bigs then signing McGinnis a Max Contract when he is 28 yrs old, or trading for #4 pick and have the deadly combo of Love/Rose at 18 and 19 yrs old, it was a pretty simple choice. I could have made the playoffs with McGinnis sure, but i would rather build super young than settling for only a punchers chance against the monster bigs.
In short: 1. McG 25 yr old vs. Rose 19 yr old. 2. McG would be asking for a long max contract at 28 yr old 3. Fighting against Kaj/Moses/Lanier/Gilmore/Hayes with second tier bigs is futile. 4. My roster was Full of PFs 5. I had the chance to get the first young superstar PG (besides Slick) 6. I now have a PF-PG core that isnt even 20 yrs old
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Post by dwightcoward on Aug 5, 2014 14:55:19 GMT -6
Yeah but this kind of trades proves that to contend one needed to be at the top of the 08/89 draft, no matter how he drafted before
I feel that it's both unfair and pretty disgusting for teams who got invested in the draft
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Post by Keyser Soze on Aug 5, 2014 14:58:13 GMT -6
Can't argue with that
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Post by bluechips23 on Aug 5, 2014 15:01:58 GMT -6
The whole nature of the drafts were unfair to some teams. But it was fairest option available. You just have to make due with the cards you were dealt. I was dealt a great opportunity for a long build and missed out on seriously contending now.
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Post by yourkers15 on Aug 5, 2014 15:07:37 GMT -6
The only different I see here is the Suns gutted their roster to get the superstar in moses malone. I see the jazz gutting their team to get more of a prospect. If he got all the kings cash in the deal I would be perfectly fine with it. But he didn't and I don't see enough cash going around for both love/rose. While the kings sit pretty with a lineup that is 7/8 deep while most will be at 5/6 deep.
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Post by bluechips23 on Aug 5, 2014 15:12:35 GMT -6
Moses Malone should be on the no trade list. A 21 yr old with B+ inside-A+ Defense-A Rebounding; I didnt think there was ANY chance he would be traded and if i did i would have offered the house for him instead. Rose isnt a finished player yet of course, he is 19, but he is the FIRST superstar PG in the league. So while i wont contend for a few seasons, i do have best core in the long run and will be able to compete for Many seasons in just a few seasons.
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Post by huxley on Aug 5, 2014 15:18:36 GMT -6
You people are insane. If i were Jazz i'd do this deal 10/10 times.
There's difference between winning now (while someone offers you everything on a silver platter) and actually building a team that's gonna rule or at least be at the top for the next 10-15 years. I would, off course, always prefer the later. It's smarter and it requires more skills. And it's alot more fun.
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Post by greeme on Aug 5, 2014 15:21:18 GMT -6
You people are insane. If i were Jazz i'd do this deal 10/10 times. There's difference between winning now (while someone offers you everything on a silver platter) and actually building a team that's gonna rule or at least be at the top for the next 10-15 years. I would, off course, always prefer the later. It's smarter and it requires more skills. And it's alot more fun. of course you would. your idea of building a team is tanking for 7 years.
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Post by greeme on Aug 5, 2014 15:22:08 GMT -6
it is much easier to build a team tanking then any other way. the only downside for the jazz is that if one of them walks they just wasted 5 years
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Post by greeme on Aug 5, 2014 15:23:06 GMT -6
The whole nature of the drafts were unfair to some teams. But it was fairest option available. You just have to make due with the cards you were dealt. I was dealt a great opportunity for a long build and missed out on seriously contending now. no it wasn't. the fairest way would have either to have them in at the begining or not at all.
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Post by huxley on Aug 5, 2014 15:23:38 GMT -6
You people are insane. If i were Jazz i'd do this deal 10/10 times. There's difference between winning now (while someone offers you everything on a silver platter) and actually building a team that's gonna rule or at least be at the top for the next 10-15 years. I would, off course, always prefer the later. It's smarter and it requires more skills. And it's alot more fun. of course you would. your idea of building a team is tanking for 7 years. Just fuck off you mediocre piece of shit. I've had enough of you and fucking lies you piece of trash.
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Post by greeme on Aug 5, 2014 15:23:42 GMT -6
it doesn't matter though, i'm winning anyway
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Post by yourkers15 on Aug 5, 2014 15:25:52 GMT -6
Also Adams is going to be playing PG so im sure he will be the first superstar PG just listed at SF
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Post by greeme on Aug 5, 2014 15:31:51 GMT -6
of course you would. your idea of building a team is tanking for 7 years. Just fuck off you mediocre piece of shit. I've had enough of you and fucking lies you piece of trash. off your meds?
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Post by scarface132 on Aug 5, 2014 16:45:06 GMT -6
Also Adams is going to be playing PG so im sure he will be the first superstar PG just listed at SF Actually, no he wasn't. I had my pg already in Freddy Brown.
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Post by scarface132 on Aug 5, 2014 17:53:53 GMT -6
You posted in the wrong forum, genius. Also no, I actually didn't. (wet myself) Is that what you do, when you get over in a trade? I got past wet dreams when I was a pre teen. Guess you weren't as lucky.
Back to the trade. I had a better trade offered to me by FDA actually. I was beaten out by like a minute literally, and he told me he preferred my deal. I preferred it too, because there were two A+ defense guys in the deal, compared to a B+ defense, and B- defense guy. I also would have had a late fifth round pick as well. So again, you have no idea what the hell you are talking about.
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