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Post by joshbounds on Jun 29, 2009 15:02:01 GMT -6
Look at the pages Don, I think you might be able to get someone worthwhile...
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Post by don1955 on Jun 29, 2009 15:09:26 GMT -6
i glanced at them a time or 2, just been waiting for the final results to come out and then see whats going to maybe be there...
or maybe some gm wants 3 1st round picks an will trade to get them...
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Post by New York Knicks on Jun 29, 2009 15:20:47 GMT -6
Some nice depth in this draft. Maybe ill get someone decent with the Sonics pick.
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Post by etownconcretebys on Jun 29, 2009 19:34:48 GMT -6
John, I still think some ratings are a bit high. remember they still go thru TC before the year starts.
I would atleast request for some of the handling ratings to be looked at to be turned down. Example: why does glen rice have C+ handling? Ellison with C? Kemp with C? Those guys had bad Assist to TO ratios. C handling for a big man with bad ratios isnt right.
If you get the time, for the helluvit, input their numbers into the create a player stats generator and see what the cpu ratings come out as...
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Post by joshbounds on Jun 30, 2009 10:42:04 GMT -6
Well, we were basing big men off of DRob who has a C handles and started that way. His career ratio isnt close to as good as Rice so Rice with C+ is right on. But Kemp and Ellison could be C- or D+ for sure. The rest all look good and you should know ETown, TC doesnt always mean you go up... Its like rolling the dice..
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Post by josh on Jun 30, 2009 11:09:36 GMT -6
Well, handling is the least of our concern for big men in terms of improving in TC. I agree that some of them could be C- or even D+s, but big men don't really get boosts from TC when it comes to handling. It happens rarely, but usually handling changes for big men are downgrades rather than improvements.
That said, I agree, because we don't want Shawn Kemp averaging 4.5 assists per game, so yes, some deductions would be appropriate.
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Post by joshbounds on Jun 30, 2009 12:07:46 GMT -6
Id say Kemp and Ellison at C- since they will only go down from there. You dont want those guys to go through TC and get F handles...
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Post by New York Knicks on Jun 30, 2009 12:09:13 GMT -6
Yeah C- is fine
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Post by josh on Jun 30, 2009 14:46:35 GMT -6
Id say Kemp and Ellison at C- since they will only go down from there. You dont want those guys to go through TC and get F handles... Well they won't get worse THAT fast, some don't get worse at all, some get a little worse over time and some get a little bit better. I agree though, C- seems best. |
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Post by etownconcretebys on Jun 30, 2009 16:08:53 GMT -6
Well, we were basing big men off of DRob who has a C handles and started that way. His career ratio isnt close to as good as Rice so Rice with C+ is right on. why do we have to base ratings of small forwards off of ratings of a center? who came up with that plan? |
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Post by joshbounds on Jun 30, 2009 16:54:52 GMT -6
He was used as base for big men in general. But if DRob is a C Rice is easily a C+. We all agree though that Ellison and Kemp should be C-. Good call ETown..
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Post by etownconcretebys on Jun 30, 2009 17:37:12 GMT -6
well glen rice isnt a big man so his handling rating shouldnt be compared to david robinson.
Rice is overrated all around I think. He only averaged 13ppg as a rookie and with B A- before TC, the guy could be dropping 20+ppg in this sim. B- B+ or C+ A- with C or C- hanlding is more reasonable.
and most importantly, his rebounding should be turned down to a low C. C+ SF's average 7-8 rebs a game, rice never averaged more than 5 per game and he is a C+ as a rookie...
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Post by joshbounds on Jun 30, 2009 18:41:34 GMT -6
ETown, I am going to talk to you like a person like you have never talked with me and everyone has a right to an opinion. TC doesnt mean the guy will go up in everything for one. And you cant start the guys out with what they did only their rookie year because there is nothing saying even with an A potential that they will go up. Rice averaged 18.6 ppg over a career and he was a career .400 shooter from 3pt range. Sabonis averaged 2.1 assist per game over his career and he is a B- in this league and gets 4+. Rice at C+ might get 4 to 6 assist per game and as a SF, there is nothing saying his handling will ever go up. If you want to talk every little inconsistancy with players here compared to real life they are a dime a dozen, just about every player has something too low or too high. Kemp and Ellison we all agree with but Rice is right where he should be... And C+ SFs get 7-8 rebounds? You have Natt who is B- and only gets 6.2 so again, another inconsistancy. The game is full of them..
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Post by etownconcretebys on Jun 30, 2009 18:47:16 GMT -6
tell me why glen rice should have C+ rebounding...
and you are wrong in saying guys with A pot will not get better because they will. have you ever ran an fbb league or played in one before this?
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Post by joshbounds on Jun 30, 2009 19:07:52 GMT -6
Yes, but I have had Drexler with A potential go down not once but twice and never went up in anything but 1 catagory. Ive had players go from A potential to C potential and then D potential in 2 TCs. I had DRob for this year's TC and he had A potential and he went down to B potential and didnt move in any catagory, same with Ewing for 2 seasons in a row for me..If Natt should be a B- Rice should be C+. Its about our league average for SF. C or C+. Right? Thats my whole point... Its really not worth fighting about but you seem to be the only one complaining.. Have a good night bro...
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Post by etownconcretebys on Jun 30, 2009 19:32:32 GMT -6
dont dismiss me "bro". Nobody asked you shit. I addressed John with my original post.
Not sure who the fuck you think you are talking to like that.
about rice, Natt is 1 exception which has to do with barkley and jordan grabbing 18 rebs per game around him not to mention he is not a starter at this point. Drexler, Bird, Jordan, Shrempf, and the rest of the SF's in this league with C+ or better have 7-8 per game. The SF's with C reb's average about 5 per game. Rice should be a low C since SF's tend to get REB ups in TC's. Something you might not have known since you are new to this game.
with that being said, with you only seeing about 4-5 seasons of this game in your entire life, you are in no position to decide whos ratings should be what and what Training Camp improvement chances are. You are a noob to FBB, not sure where you come off thinking you have it all figured out and telling people with much more experience than you that they are wrong...
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Post by josh on Jun 30, 2009 20:34:21 GMT -6
While I don't agree with etown's approach, he is correct that Glen Rice should not have C+ rebounding.
I put in some thoughts earlier in this thread that many considered "close but too low"...I stopped paying attention because most people agreed with that, so I don't really care. This is a weak class overall, and it should be reflected in the draft class.
With that said, etown, you know as well as I do that FBB has an absolutely terrible player progression/TC system, so most guys have to start out rated a bit higher than they should in an ideal build. Still, it doesn't mean that Glen Rice should have C+ rebounding, or that any big man other than Divac (a genius with the ball) should have C+ handling.
Just my .02
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Post by joshbounds on Jun 30, 2009 20:52:06 GMT -6
dont dismiss me "bro". Nobody asked you shit. I addressed John with my original post. Not sure who the fuck you think you are talking to like that. about rice, Natt is 1 exception which has to do with barkley and jordan grabbing 18 rebs per game around him not to mention he is not a starter at this point. Drexler, Bird, Jordan, Shrempf, and the rest of the SF's in this league with C+ or better have 7-8 per game. The SF's with C reb's average about 5 per game. Rice should be a low C since SF's tend to get REB ups in TC's. Something you might not have known since you are new to this game. with that being said, with you only seeing about 4-5 seasons of this game in your entire life, you are in no position to decide whos ratings should be what and what Training Camp improvement chances are. You are a noob to FBB, not sure where you come off thinking you have it all figured out and telling people with much more experience than you that they are wrong... Hey John, boot this guy. You said the cussing and such was done. This guy has proven time and again he is just trouble.. I am no noob buddy.. And Im not half the scrub owner you are either.. No wonder nobody likes you.. |
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Post by joshbounds on Jun 30, 2009 20:56:36 GMT -6
And Bro, Ill call you whatever I like. You act like a "punk". I just thought "bro" sounded better. I dont have to hide behind my keyboard, nor talk big behind it.
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Post by etownconcretebys on Jun 30, 2009 23:21:53 GMT -6
And Bro, Ill call you whatever I like. You act like a "punk". I just thought "bro" sounded better. I dont have to hide behind my keyboard, nor talk big behind it. well you do. i was making posts about the draft class because i want to see it go off right when the time comes because I have more than 5 seasons experience with this game (yes, that makes you a noob)and you just keep replying with dismissive, unnecessary, condescending replies about my posts, like you run this league. You wanna talk like that to me, I'm gonna talk like that to you. I mean, your quote above is like the biggest joke ever after you just got done doing exactly that. Now you want to start calling names? |
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