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Post by Penny on Aug 20, 2024 19:08:54 GMT -6
$600
Kendrick Perkins
Jeff Foster
JamesOn Curry
For:
Chuck Nevitt
Paul Pressey
Bulls agree
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Post by offtheheezy on Aug 20, 2024 21:05:00 GMT -6
Yes, sounds good
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Post by lionsbryan on Aug 21, 2024 9:40:11 GMT -6
Nevitt is worth more than Red Kerr. There is far less being sent here than what was being sent in the IND/MIL trade. Where are our noble GMs klomper24 , sidtiancam and New York Knicks to veto this and uphold the integrity of the league? |
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Post by New York Knicks on Aug 21, 2024 9:59:09 GMT -6
After this, I no longer want to be involved in trades anymore. I'll just leave it at that. Celtics send SG Ross C Cavenall $100 PACERS Send Rudy Gay Cap Space Chuck Nevitt and Ron Cavenall are equivalent players. Boston got -100 cash for Cavenall. Orlando got +600 cash for Chuck. That's a $700 difference. Boston got significantly less for Cavenall. And I didn't veto that trade. So why the fuck would I veto this? lionsbryan |
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Post by lionsbryan on Aug 21, 2024 10:08:27 GMT -6
It's almost like there's no consistency for when trades are vetoed. I just get to play by a different set of rules when people decide to get in their feelings and be scared of the Pacers.
Worst trade I've ever seen in the history of this league was Kobe Bryant for rookie Anthony Davis and that was not vetoed. Yet I've had 3 or 4 of my comparatively inconsequential trades vetoed.
It's fine, I just want to make sure everyone knows the score here.
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Post by New York Knicks on Aug 21, 2024 10:11:12 GMT -6
I'm going to throw a veto out. This is very anti-proxy team. This is exactly what we're not supposed to be doing with a proxy team. How much better should the veteran player have to be over the prospect for a deal like this to be okay? Because this here is a 26 year old top-10 player for a rookie who I'm not even sure should have gone #1. |
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Post by lionsbryan on Aug 21, 2024 10:18:38 GMT -6
I can't imagine being so scared of another GM that I veto their way to get mostly inconsequential players like Zelmo Beaty, Chuck Share and Red Kerr. Very pathetic state of affairs around here.
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Post by New York Knicks on Aug 21, 2024 10:22:35 GMT -6
You said the Anthony Davis trade should've been vetoed. But you were the one defending it against vetoed. Lol thats hilarious lionsbryan |
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Post by dangle on Aug 21, 2024 10:22:57 GMT -6
After this, I no longer want to be involved in trades anymore. I'll just leave it at that. Celtics send SG Ross C Cavenall $100 PACERS Send Rudy Gay Cap Space Chuck Nevitt and Ron Cavenall are equivalent players. Boston got -100 cash for Cavenall. Orlando got +600 cash for Chuck. That's a $700 difference. Boston got significantly less for Cavenall. And I didn't veto that trade. So why the fuck would I veto this? lionsbryan Youve made two posts saying the Cavenall trade is bad if not more. Its not like you were fine with that trade so if this one is similar, wouldnt it be the same? Whether or not the Kerr trade is bad, I do feel like the veto in there was mainly predicated on the drama and cliques this league seems to have. Again, not saying the veto wasnt warranted but I do think its clear an extra incentive was in place to make it a big deal. Its annoying seeing it brought up everywhere and cause these little wars to break out. It makes me considerably less interested in the league the more I play. I was super excited at first but it gets brought up every single day it seems like with snarky comments everywhere. It becomes more and more likely everyday that I do the bare minimum of commenting to run this team so I can gain cash but I do not want to participate much further aside from that because seeing this going on daily just adds to me not wanting to be here more and more. Its unfortunate because aside from that it does seem enjoyable and John and company seem to put in good work and a consistent schedule. Again, I cant stress enough that this post is mainly about the constant drama and snide comments that get brought up in every thread and how it seems like its a two sided clique league. Ive said my peace. Im not sure anything can be done to correct it. I wont comment further as I dont want to be in the crosshairs or bad side any further than what Ive been in. The more I type here, the more I do think its best to just stay out of threads aside from DC, spending, betting etc. |
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Post by New York Knicks on Aug 21, 2024 10:33:27 GMT -6
insidethepaint.proboards.com/post/375185/threadinsidethepaint.proboards.com/post/377430/threadYouve made two posts saying the Cavenall trade is bad if not more. Its not like you were fine with that trade so if this one is similar, wouldnt it be the same? Whether or not the Kerr trade is bad, I do feel like the veto in there was mainly predicated on the drama and cliques this league seems to have. Again, not saying the veto wasnt warranted but I do think its clear an extra incentive was in place to make it a big deal. Its annoying seeing it brought up everywhere and cause these little wars to break out. It makes me considerably less interested in the league the more I play. I was super excited at first but it gets brought up every single day it seems like with snarky comments everywhere. It becomes more and more likely everyday that I do the bare minimum of commenting to run this team so I can gain cash but I do not want to participate much further aside from that because seeing this going on daily just adds to me not wanting to be here more and more. Its unfortunate because aside from that it does seem enjoyable and John and company seem to put in good work and a consistent schedule. Again, I cant stress enough that this post is mainly about the constant drama and snide comments that get brought up in every thread and how it seems like its a two sided clique league. Ive said my peace. Im not sure anything can be done to correct it. I wont comment further as I dont want to be in the crosshairs or bad side any further than what Ive been in. The more I type here, the more I do think its best to just stay out of threads aside from DC, spending, betting etc. The Cavenall trade was horrible. The GM himself who made the trade said that he was "suckered". It's right there in the same link you posted. But as bad as that trade was, I didn't protest. So why protest this trade? Where Orlando is receiving $700 more for an identical player? And that's what lionsbryan asked right? So I answered his question. |
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Post by John1974 on Aug 21, 2024 10:40:26 GMT -6
I can't imagine being so scared of another GM that I veto their way to get mostly inconsequential players like Zelmo Beaty, Chuck Share and Red Kerr. Very pathetic state of affairs around here. Too be fair Kerr trade should have been veto based on his career potential and ratings to date. He still has A potential and that trade was giving him away. Same for Beaty back when that trade was made and beaty didn't turn out great but at that time based on those things those trades where veto worthy. This one to me is bad as I was magic proxy and worked on those players who I think have value so I think they could have gotten more. Not sure I'd veto but I have time to decide before sim. |
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Post by beatonz on Aug 21, 2024 10:42:08 GMT -6
I can't imagine being so scared of another GM that I veto their way to get mostly inconsequential players like Zelmo Beaty, Chuck Share and Red Kerr. Very pathetic state of affairs around here. Too be fair Kerr trade should have been veto based on his career potential and ratings to date. He still has A potential and that trade was giving him away. Same for Beaty back when that trade was made and beaty didn't turn out great but at that time based on those things those trades where veto worthy. This one to me is bad as I was magic proxy and worked on those players who I think have value so I think they could have gotten more. Not sure I'd veto but I have time to decide before sim. This is well said. Would I do this trade as the Magic? No. Do I think it is veto worthy? Probably not but would understand if it was vetoed. |
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Post by John1974 on Aug 21, 2024 10:42:46 GMT -6
insidethepaint.proboards.com/post/375185/threadinsidethepaint.proboards.com/post/377430/threadYouve made two posts saying the Cavenall trade is bad if not more. Its not like you were fine with that trade so if this one is similar, wouldnt it be the same? Whether or not the Kerr trade is bad, I do feel like the veto in there was mainly predicated on the drama and cliques this league seems to have. Again, not saying the veto wasnt warranted but I do think its clear an extra incentive was in place to make it a big deal. Its annoying seeing it brought up everywhere and cause these little wars to break out. It makes me considerably less interested in the league the more I play. I was super excited at first but it gets brought up every single day it seems like with snarky comments everywhere. It becomes more and more likely everyday that I do the bare minimum of commenting to run this team so I can gain cash but I do not want to participate much further aside from that because seeing this going on daily just adds to me not wanting to be here more and more. Its unfortunate because aside from that it does seem enjoyable and John and company seem to put in good work and a consistent schedule. Again, I cant stress enough that this post is mainly about the constant drama and snide comments that get brought up in every thread and how it seems like its a two sided clique league. Ive said my peace. Im not sure anything can be done to correct it. I wont comment further as I dont want to be in the crosshairs or bad side any further than what Ive been in. The more I type here, the more I do think its best to just stay out of threads aside from DC, spending, betting etc. Kerr trade was bad. Definitely veto worthy and without bias. |
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Post by dangle on Aug 21, 2024 10:42:59 GMT -6
And in this trade here, the owner gets $150 more but two less firsts (likely late) than I did for Kerr, yet of these horrible trades that was the one veto'd. Again, the Kerr trade could be terrible. I dont have the knowledge like most of you all do, but I do truly fully believe that the main reason that was veto was there was because of it involving LionsBryan. I dont like the fact that I have to now worry about who I trade with because it may piss off one side of this league and it cost me in some way.
Ive had dealings with plenty of people and even though some of us dont see nearly eye to eye, they are always pleasant to message. However, in the league threads, it always catty fighting and comments being made trying to start stuff.
Its just so irritating to see it again here for the 4th or so consecutive week of me being here and how often the goal posts move for people to argue why the other is wrong. Im pretty solid on the fact that Im not going to comment further in the threads aside from betting, posting my W/L for the sim, and roster move type comments. I dont know if this is against the rules and will work with John about it but Id rather evade the consistent bickering here. Ive been walking on eggshells half the time because I dont want to be lumped in with any of this. The only reason Im here now typing is because Im fed up with it everywhere. Its a bad look for the newbies. When I joined, it was sad to see the amount of it going on and it hasnt gotten better.
So again, this is the furthest Ill comment on this going forward. Ive enjoyed the sim side of ITP but all of this pettiness will hold the league back in my opinion if it hasnt already done so.
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Post by New York Knicks on Aug 21, 2024 10:43:28 GMT -6
Btw As for your Redd Kerr trade. Let's not muddy the waters. Let's not piss in the pool. Let's keep things crystal clear and just talk about the trade. Ok? 21 years old 84 Potential 82 Inside Scoring 86/99 Rebounding + He was camped twice 2 days before the trade. His value FAR FAR FAR exceeded what you received in return. And I don't care if lionsbryan made the trade. Or if it was the charming ass pig from Green Acres. The trade was bad. That's why it was vetoed. |
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Post by John1974 on Aug 21, 2024 10:54:26 GMT -6
And in this trade here, the owner gets $150 more but two less firsts (likely late) than I did for Kerr, yet of these horrible trades that was the one veto'd. Again, the Kerr trade could be terrible. I dont have the knowledge like most of you all do, but I do truly fully believe that the main reason that was veto was there was because of it involving LionsBryan. I dont like the fact that I have to now worry about who I trade with because it may piss off one side of this league and it cost me in some way. Ive had dealings with plenty of people and even though some of us dont see nearly eye to eye, they are always pleasant to message. However, in the league threads, it always catty fighting and comments being made trying to start stuff. Its just so irritating to see it again here for the 4th or so consecutive week of me being here and how often the goal posts move for people to argue why the other is wrong. Im pretty solid on the fact that Im not going to comment further in the threads aside from betting, posting my W/L for the sim, and roster move type comments. I dont know if this is against the rules and will work with John about it but Id rather evade the consistent bickering here. Ive been walking on eggshells half the time because I dont want to be lumped in with any of this. The only reason Im here now typing is because Im fed up with it everywhere. Its a bad look for the newbies. When I joined, it was sad to see the amount of it going on and it hasnt gotten better. So again, this is the furthest Ill comment on this going forward. Ive enjoyed the sim side of ITP but all of this pettiness will hold the league back in my opinion if it hasnt already done so. Lates first are basically 2nd round picks at that point in 95% of drafts so they hold little value especially when the player being trade has the ratings, and potential to make him a star player. Doesn't mean it will happen see Beaty but no offense you were giving him away for nothing in that trade. This trade isnt as bad but its not great either and is if veto worthy probably not but its close. |
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Post by John1974 on Aug 21, 2024 10:58:18 GMT -6
Nevitt is worth more than Red Kerr. There is far less being sent here than what was being sent in the IND/MIL trade. Where are our noble GMs klomper24 , sidtiancam and New York Knicks to veto this and uphold the integrity of the league? Nevitt's worth is nowhere close to anything that of Redd Kerr. Redd Kerr still has A potential, Nevitt 56, Kerr's ratings are so far ahead of Nevitt its not even close. |
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Post by John1974 on Aug 21, 2024 11:01:55 GMT -6
But lets get back to this trade as other trades have nothing to do with this one. I am all for new owners making trades to make the teams they take over there own and glad sometimes trades get veto to help protect them even if the players dont work out. I never see bias in a owner "Oh I am going to veto this trade because so and so made it." no people even if you dont like them veto trades because to that person they look pretty bad.
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Post by dangle on Aug 21, 2024 11:02:43 GMT -6
And in this trade here, the owner gets $150 more but two less firsts (likely late) than I did for Kerr, yet of these horrible trades that was the one veto'd. Again, the Kerr trade could be terrible. I dont have the knowledge like most of you all do, but I do truly fully believe that the main reason that was veto was there was because of it involving LionsBryan. I dont like the fact that I have to now worry about who I trade with because it may piss off one side of this league and it cost me in some way. Ive had dealings with plenty of people and even though some of us dont see nearly eye to eye, they are always pleasant to message. However, in the league threads, it always catty fighting and comments being made trying to start stuff. Its just so irritating to see it again here for the 4th or so consecutive week of me being here and how often the goal posts move for people to argue why the other is wrong. Im pretty solid on the fact that Im not going to comment further in the threads aside from betting, posting my W/L for the sim, and roster move type comments. I dont know if this is against the rules and will work with John about it but Id rather evade the consistent bickering here. Ive been walking on eggshells half the time because I dont want to be lumped in with any of this. The only reason Im here now typing is because Im fed up with it everywhere. Its a bad look for the newbies. When I joined, it was sad to see the amount of it going on and it hasnt gotten better. So again, this is the furthest Ill comment on this going forward. Ive enjoyed the sim side of ITP but all of this pettiness will hold the league back in my opinion if it hasnt already done so. Lates first are basically 2nd round picks at that point in 95% of drafts so they hold little value especially when the player being trade has the ratings, and potential to make him a star player. Doesn't mean it will happen see Beaty but no offense you were giving him away for nothing in that trade. This trade isnt as bad but its not great either and is if veto worthy probably not but its close. Ive said Im fine with it being veto'd, just that all these other horrible trades dont get veto'd and instead then defended. My bigger issue is the constant drama and its been 95% of my past two comments but thats completely been glossed over it seems and people only care enough about Kerr's trade value. This is why I didnt want to even bring it up. I dont see it changing and until then Im going to stay out of commenting on anything. It doesnt gain me anything at all and is probably safer than keeping me out of the crosshairs from some. Good luck to everyone on the season. God knows I dont need it this year but hopefully can use it next year. |
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Post by lionsbryan on Aug 21, 2024 11:13:03 GMT -6
Nevitt is worth more than Red Kerr. There is far less being sent here than what was being sent in the IND/MIL trade. Where are our noble GMs klomper24 , sidtiancam and New York Knicks to veto this and uphold the integrity of the league? Nevitt's worth is nowhere close to anything that of Redd Kerr. Redd Kerr still has A potential, Nevitt 56, Kerr's ratings are so far ahead of Nevitt its not even close. I disagree. I'm not going to get into it because I don't want to come off like I'm trashing the type of player Kerr is. Nevitt is the kind of player that wins games though. His combination of POD + BLK are very difficult to find. His potential doesn't even matter because he's already at a level where he can be incredibly effective, and he has two seasons of camps remaining. |
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