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Post by John1974 on Mar 27, 2024 16:07:57 GMT -6
Draft class with the 2 ABA players added for edits suggestions. (No edits have been currently made.)
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Post by John1974 on Mar 27, 2024 18:04:17 GMT -6
Please don't pm me suggestions. Post them here.
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jupee
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Post by jupee on Mar 28, 2024 0:51:25 GMT -6
Draymond Green C+ C+ C+ B+ B- B
Khris Middleton B- B C B- C B
Kevin Murphy C+ C+ C B C D
Ognjen Kuzmic C+ C- D+ B+ B- C (dude is not good rebounder even for Euroleague)
John Hensen B- D C- B- B B
Jae Crowder SF
Kendall Marshall C B- B B D D
Damian Lillard B- B B- B+ C A
Andre Drummond B- F+ D- B B+ B
Thomas Robinson B C- C- C+ B+ B
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Post by Keyser Soze on Mar 28, 2024 9:40:15 GMT -6
Thomas Robinson averaged 4.9 PPG 4.8 RPG for his career. B inside B+ Reb and B potential is way too high for him. Kings drafted him #4 overall and gave up on him half way through his rookie season. He was one of the biggest draft disappointments in recent memory.
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Post by Pepe Silvia on Mar 28, 2024 13:36:06 GMT -6
Terrence Ross SF 6'6'' 220 21 C+ B C- B+ C C Anthony Davis C 6'10'' 253 19 B C D+ B+ B A Dion Waiters SG 6'3'' 215 21 C+ B C- B C- A Will Barton SG 6'6'' 181 21 C+ B+ C+ C- B- C Harrison Barnes SF 6'8'' 225 20 B B C- C+ C A Tornike Shengelia SF 6'9'' 217 21 C C+ C B- C+ C Michael Kidd-Gilchrist SF 6'6'' 232 19 C+ C C- B C+ A Thomas Robinson PF 6'10'' 237 21 B C- C- C C+ B Damian Lillard PG 6'2'' 195 22 C+ B C+ B C- A Terrence Jones PF 6'9'' 252 20 B- C+ D- B C+ B John Hensen C 6'9'' 219 22 B- D C- B+ B A Draymond Green SF 6'6'' 230 22 B- B- B B+ B- B Tony Wroten PG 6'6'' 205 19 B- C- C B- C B Austin Rivers PG 6'3'' 200 20 C+ B C B D+ B Tyler Zeller C 7'0'' 253 22 B C+ D+ B B- B Andre Drummond C 6'10'' 279 19 B- F+ D- B B+ A Jae Crowder SF 6'6'' 235 22 B B C B+ B- C Kevin Murphy SG 6'5'' 185 22 C B- C B C D Kendall Marshall PG 6'4'' 200 21 C+ C+ B B D B Royce White PF 6'8'' 270 21 B D+ C B B- C Darius Johnson-Odom SG 6'2'' 215 23 C+ C+ C C+ C- C Jared Sullinger PF 6'9'' 260 20 B C+ C- B B C Khris Middleton SF 6'7'' 222 21 B- B D B- C B
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Post by Keyser Soze on Mar 28, 2024 13:42:39 GMT -6
Jae Crowder B inside AND B outside?
A career 9.4 PPG scorer on 41.9 FG % and 34.9 3PT %. His career high is 14.2 PPG.
He’s a rugged tough 3 and D role player. His inside scoring should be a C+ and his outside should be B- at best
He has 4.2 career RPG. Rebounding should be closer to C
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Post by Keyser Soze on Mar 28, 2024 13:49:04 GMT -6
Harrison Barnes also has no business with a B inside B outside. That’s Jordan, Iverson, Booker, Kobe, etc starting territory.
He was a solid player. B- inside B- outside with a B potential. He’s a better Defender than a C+. I’d do a B for him
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Post by Pepe Silvia on Mar 28, 2024 13:50:15 GMT -6
Jae Crowder B inside AND B outside? A career 9.4 PPG scorer on 41.9 FG % and 34.9 3PT %. His career high is 14.2 PPG. He’s a rugged tough 3 and D role player. His inside scoring should be a C+ and his outside should be B- at best He has 4.2 career RPG. Rebounding should be closer to C There seem to be a lot of pretty inflated scoring grades in the class that need to be nerfed. Draymond's could come down too, his usefulness is his defense/rebounding/passing. Some dudes I've never even heard of with B+'s. I missed quite a bit looking back at my post, but there are definitely quite a few scoring edits that could be made.
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Post by Pepe Silvia on Mar 28, 2024 13:54:09 GMT -6
Harrison Barnes also has no business with a B inside B outside. That’s Jordan, Iverson, Booker, Kobe, etc starting territory. He was a solid player. B- inside B- outside with a B potential. He’s a better Defender than a C+. I’d do a B for himThe problem, IMO, with displayed defensive grades in the software is that there are so many attributes that go into them, and some of them are absolutely worthless for certain positions or in general. A big with 80 shot blocking and 30 post defense is objectively a better defender than one with 60 in both. Drive defense can be pumped for a wing to make them look better on the surface when it has no actual bearing on their defensive ability in the software.
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Post by Keyser Soze on Mar 28, 2024 13:58:09 GMT -6
You’re right. I understand exactly what you’re saying . But we can’t offer numeric suggestions. Only letter suggestions. And we don’t know what the numbers actually are. So all I can see is a lower letter grade, that could use some tweaking.
Like Barnes he was a key defender in that Warrior mix with Him, Klay, Dray, Igoudala being able to switch everything.
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Post by John1974 on Mar 28, 2024 13:59:28 GMT -6
Harrison Barnes also has no business with a B inside B outside. That’s Jordan, Iverson, Booker, Kobe, etc starting territory. He was a solid player. B- inside B- outside with a B potential. He’s a better Defender than a C+. I’d do a B for himThe problem, IMO, with displayed defensive grades in the software is that there are so many attributes that go into them, and some of them are absolutely worthless for certain positions or in general. A big with 80 shot blocking and 30 post defense is objectively a better defender than one with 60 in both. Drive defense can be pumped for a wing to make them look better on the surface when it has no actual bearing on their defensive ability in the software. Magix. 100%.
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Post by jupee on Mar 28, 2024 14:12:40 GMT -6
Yeah ar first glace I was "uh this class nicely done, wont be much work, almost no A grades" And then I started to dig and the list of edits seem to be endless lol
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Post by Kong on Mar 29, 2024 9:31:41 GMT -6
Anthony Davis C 6'10'' 253 19 B (but highest) C+ (or high C) C- B+ B+ (or high B) A - Davis should have the highest inside in the class (he is currently 12th) and would also give him a C+ (or a high C) outside to account for his really high shooting %s (fgs and fts) + he shoots 3s. And a bit more passing wouldn't hurt. And a B+ for rebound is fine or a high b maybe would be better.
Damian Lillard PG 6'2'' 195 22 B- B B- B+ C A - Davis and Lillard should have the highest potentials in the class. And also check that his handling is 65+ or so because in old file it was too low compared to other similar stars. Generally speaking, I think Davis and Lillard should be clear top 2 picks with Beal 3rd.
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Post by John1974 on Mar 29, 2024 16:09:33 GMT -6
done to here.
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Post by majic44 on Apr 1, 2024 7:45:55 GMT -6
Feels like Davis got hit a bit too hard and he is lower at inside than a number of other guys. He was lauded as one a generational player that has proven to be true in the NBA.
I just feel like his inside should be higher.
Lillard and Davis should clearly be 1-2 in this class, with a few in that second tier.
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Post by John1974 on Apr 1, 2024 11:19:51 GMT -6
Feels like Davis got hit a bit too hard and he is lower at inside than a number of other guys. He was lauded as one a generational player that has proven to be true in the NBA. I just feel like his inside should be higher. Lillard and Davis should clearly be 1-2 in this class, with a few in that second tier. couple things on Davis, and couple others. The letter rating may not reflect the true rating, as they have high areas but lower grades. but the edit aren't final as we are still in the suggestion phase. Also his Davis ratings have changed a little in the game but not on pages yet, and if you click on potential all the guys listed ahead of him are lower potential. Weird game and its quirks.
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Post by John1974 on Apr 1, 2024 11:24:25 GMT -6
also his inside is with in Alonzo, shaq, wilts.
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Post by John1974 on Apr 1, 2024 19:13:05 GMT -6
Draft edit deadline is sim 17.
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Post by Kong on Apr 2, 2024 11:14:16 GMT -6
Jeff Taylor SF 6'7'' 255 20 C+ C+ D+ C+ C C to account for just 132 career games with meh numbers. Robbie Hummel SF 6'8'' 215 23 C+ C+ C+ B C+ C Miles Plumlee C 6'11'' 249 24 C+ C- D B B C with lower reb / df to account for regular / advanced defensive numbers that are not better than B. Plus we don't do ratings > B+. Ognjen Kuzmic C 7'1'' 251 22 C+ C- D+ B+ B C with lower reb replacing A- and not lowering other numbers because of limited data on Kuzmic. Bernard James C 6'10'' 240 27 B- D D- B B (lower) C to account for few career games. Didn't reduce him as much because he enters the league at 27 although more reduce would be justified. Red Kerr C 6'9'' 230 18 B- C C- C+ (or B-) B A with lower Hn to account for low assists avg but higher Def (better Defensive Win Shares than Chuck Share from same era with limited data. Chuck was a C+). Furkan Aldemir PF 6'10'' 240 21 C+ D+ D B B C Anthony Davis C 6'10'' 253 19 B C+ C- B+ B (better) A with Quickness of 52+ if not there already + some more rebounding. Davis is currently #11 for Reb grade with almost a B- but think he should be 3rd behind Drummond and Kerr.
Royce White PF 6'8'' 270 21 B (but lower) D+ C B B- C with lower inside grade because it is currently 2nd best but he only played 9 NBA minutes. Andre Drummond C 6'10'' 279 19 B- D D- B B+ A with outside more according to his career ft, fg %s. Still pretty bad but not F+. Thomas Robinson PF 6'10'' 237 21 C+ C- D+ C+ B B Tomas Satoransky SG 6'7'' 210 21 C B B B C- B Andrew Nicholson PF 6'9'' 250 23 B- C+ D+ B B- C Festus Ezeli C 6'11'' 255 23 B- D+ D- B+ B- C Orlando Johnson SG 6'5'' 220 23 C+ B- C B C+ C Perry Jones SF 6'11'' 235 21 B- C C- B B- C Arnett Moultrie PF 6'11'' 249 22 B- C C- B B C Darius Miller SF 6'6'' 225 22 C B C B C- C Kendall Marshall PG 6'4'' 200 21 C C+ B B- D+ B
Tyler Zeller C 7'0'' 253 22 B C D+ B B- B
Terrence Jones PF 6'9'' 252 20 B- C D- B C+ B
John Henson C 6'9'' 219 22 B- D C- B B B
Khris Middleton SF 6'7'' 222 21 B- B D B- C A
Austin Rivers SG 6'4'' 200 20 C B C B D+ B
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Post by John1974 on Apr 3, 2024 13:20:05 GMT -6
Done to here.
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