2005 Draft Discussion/Edits.

[methatswho]

Well A- then because Marbury is coming in with it but it would not mean it's only on passing neither like I said John1974 I'll do the ratings here to show if it's how not only how they got started in there career but also rookie year Bob Cousey deserves A Defense like the Roster has Marbury with A handles and so should Nash just with different scoring and Rebounding is what separated them

[uwotmate]

Kobe Bryant SG B B B- B- C A
Bob Cousey C+ B B+ B C- A
Ray Allen B- B+ C+ B C- A
Peja Stojakovic B- A- D+ C C A
Steve Nash C+ B+ B+ C+ C A
Jermaine O'Neal B- C- C- B- B- A
Ben Wallace C D- D B+ B+ A
Walter McCarty C+ B- C- B C+ A
Marcus Camby B C- C B+ B- A
John Wallace B- C+ C B- C A
Shandon Anderson C+ B- C B C A
Zydrunus Illgueskas B- C+ D B- C+ A

[methatswho]

Kobe defense stats the same B+

[methatswho]

I can actually agree to a

Allen Iverson B B B+ B+ C-
Kobe Bryant at SG here he's a SF B B+ B B+ C A
Bob Cousey C+ B- B+ B+ C A
Steve Nash B- B+ B+ C+ C A
Ray Allen B- B+ C+ B C- A
Stephon Marbury B B B+ B- D+ A
Ben Wallace B- D- D- B+ B+ A
Marcus Camby B D+ C B+ B A
Jermaine O'Neal B C- C- B B- A
Zydrunus Illgueskas B C+ D- B B A
Walter McCarty C+ B- D+ B- C+ B
John Wallace B C+ C- B C B
Peja Stojakovic at SG B B+ C C C A
Antoine Walker B B- B- C+ B- A
Jamie Feick C+ D+ D B+ B+ C
Dean Garret B- C- D B+ B C
Eric Dampier C+ C- D B+ B C
Samaki Walker B- C- D- B+ B- C
Malik Rose C+ D+ D+ B+ C+ C
Kerry Kittles SG here he's a PG B- B C+ B+ C A
Travis Knight C+ D+ D B+ B C
Shreef Abdur Rahim B+ C C B+ C+ A
Tony Delk B C C+ B+ C- A
Walt Hazard C+ C B+ B+ C- A
Matt Maloney C B+ B- C+ D B
Jerome Williams C+ D C- B B+ B
Shandon Anderson C+ C+ C B C B
Othella Harrington C+ C- D B- B- B
Randy Livingston C+ C+ C C+ C C 
Moochie Norris C C- B- B D+ B
Darvin Ham C D- C- B- C+ B
Derrick Fisher C C+ C+ B+ C- B
Vitaly Potapenko C+ C- D B B- C
If Bruce Bowen is in this class and he's in 97 would be C+ C+ C- B+ C A

[uwotmate]

Kobe an overrated defender entering the league at 18/19 with B+ defence hilarious

[uwotmate]

What’s with the hard on over Marbury

[methatswho]

Both where better defenders then Kobe was better say LeBron Durant Coming into the league if you want he can Have Bs across the board and a C then but when They come up should be the same and Marbury was a solid player that maybe was offensive heavy overlooked for his Defense but Rebounding was a problem


So

Kobe B B B B C A
Marbury B- B B+ B- D A

[iceman]

nice draft class hehe looking to get my target player

[methatswho]

Jun 2, 2023 20:07:50 GMT -6 methatswho said:

I can actually agree to a

Allen Iverson B B B+ B+ C- A


Inside 80
Jumpshot 75
3pt 60
Handle 80
Passing 50
Quickness 95
Post 25
Perimeter 65
Drive 80
Stealing 70
Blocking 5
Jumping 70
Strength 50
Off Reb 40
Def Reb 40
Potential 85



Kobe Bryant at SG here he's a SF B B+ B B+ C A


Inside 77
Jumpshot 83
3pt 70
Handle 70
Passing 60
Quickness 90
Post 45
Perimeter 70
Drive 70
Stealing 70
Blocking 25
Jumping 90
Strength 50
Off Reb 50
Def Reb 60
Potential 100 



Bob Cousey C+ B- B+ B+ C A

Inside 63
Jumpshot 80
3pt 50
Handle 77
Passing 67
Quickness 87
Post 35
Perimeter 77
Drive 77
Stealing 77
Blocking 7
Jumping 60
Strength 60
Off Reb 55
Def Reb 67
Potential 93



Steve Nash B- B+ B+ C+ C A


Inside 70
Jumpshot 85
3pt 75
Handle 80
Passing 80
Quickness 80
Post 10
Perimeter 55
Drive 65
Stealing 55
Blocking 5
Jumping 65
Strength 50
Off Reb 60
Def Reb 60
Potential 100 

Ray Allen B- B+ C+ B C- A

Inside 73
Jumpshot 80
3pt 80
Handle 67
Passing 40
Quickness 83
Post 20
Perimeter 70
Drive 73
Stealing 70
Blocking 17
Jumping 73
Strength 50
Off Reb 35
Def Reb 35
Potential 83




Stephon Marbury B B B+ B- D+ A

Inside 73
Jumpshot 77
3pt 65
Handle 90
Passing 77
Quickness 75
Post 13
Perimeter 65
Drive 57
Stealing 65
Blocking 7
Jumping 65
Strength 60
Off Reb 25
Def Reb 30
Potential 83



Ben Wallace B- D- D- B+ B+ A

Inside 70
Jumpshot 45
3pt 3
Handle 13
Passing 13
Quickness 75
Post 75
Perimeter 35
Drive 75
Stealing 75
Blocking 75
Jumpshot 75
Strength 80
Off Reb 80
Def Reb 80
Potential 90







Marcus Camby B D+ C B+ B A

Inside 73
Jumpshot 65
3pt Shot 10
Handle 47
Passing 20
Quickness 77
Post 75
Perimeter 45
Drive 45
Stealing 67
Blocking 80
Jumping 83
Strength 67
Off Reb 80
Def Reb 65
Potential 85


Jermaine O'Neal B C- C- B B- A

Inside 77
Jumpshot 67
3pt 25
Handle 33
Passing 33
Quickness 70
Post 63
Perimeter 45
Drive 50
Stealing 20
Blocking 73
Jumping 70
Strength 70
Off Reb 65
Def Reb 77
Potential 85 

Zydrunus Illgueskas B C+ D- B B A

Inside 73
Jumpshot 77
3pt 40
Handle 10
Passing 7
Quickness 50
Post 60
Perimeter 7
Drive 40
Stealing 50
Blocking 70
Jumping 40
Strength 85
Off Reb 70
Def Reb 70 
Potential 87


Walter McCarty C+ B- D+ B- C+ B

Inside 65
Jumpshot 67
3pt 57
Handle 35
Passing 20
Quickness 50
Post 50
Perimeter 45
Drive 55
Stealing 55
Blocking 55
Jumping 60
Strength 65
Off Reb 65
Def Reb 57
Potential 73


John Wallace B C+ C- B C B

Inside 70
Jumpshot 70
3pt 37
Handle 50
Passing 13
Quickness 67
Post 50
Perimeter 50
Drive 50
Stealing 65
Blocking 47
Jumping 65
Strength 70
Off Reb 50
Def Reb 55
Potential 73


Peja Stojakovic at SG B B+ C C C A

Inside 77
Jumpshot 80
3pt 80
Handle 35
Passing 7
Quickness 77
Post 25
Perimeter 45
Drive 35
Stealing 55
Blocking 10
Jumping 50
Strength 50
Off Reb 55
Def Reb 50
Potential 90


Antoine Walker B B- B- C+ B- A

Inside 75
Jumpshot 70
3pt 57
Handle 70
Passing 25
Quickness 83
Post 40
Perimeter 40
Drive 45
Stealing 55
Blocking 55
Jumping 70
Strength 73
Off Reb 73
Def Reb 67
Potential 85 


Jamie Feick C+ D+ D B+ B+ C
Dean Garret B- C- D B+ B C
Eric Dampier C+ C- D B+ B C
Samaki Walker B- C- D- B+ B- C
Malik Rose C+ D+ D+ B+ C+ C
Kerry Kittles SG here he's a PG B- B C+ B+ C A
Travis Knight C+ D+ D B+ B C
Shreef Abdur Rahim B+ C C B+ C+ A
Tony Delk B C C+ B+ C- A
Walt Hazard C+ C B+ B+ C- A
Matt Maloney C B+ B- C+ D B
Jerome Williams C+ D C- B B+ B
Shandon Anderson C+ C+ C B C B
Othella Harrington C+ C- D B- B- B
Randy Livingston C+ C+ C C+ C C 
Moochie Norris C C- B- B D+ B
Darvin Ham C D- C- B- C+ B
Derrick Fisher C C+ C+ B+ C- B
Vitaly Potapenko C+ C- D B B- C
If Bruce Bowen is in this class and he's in 97 would be C+ C+ C- B+ C A

[methatswho]

We need to cut Antoine Walker in the league make him a a non playable player do to this being his draft year

[methatswho]

And please make Marbury Rahim and others you gave a B- so a B at least and Peja Nash Allen Nash B+ outside And Cousey Marbury Nash B+ Handle B+ inside to Rahim B+ defense to Camby B inside to Kobe

[methatswho]

Also Tony Allen needs to have B+ on defense he really wasn't a scorer

[New York Knicks]

Nah give Antoine Walker a second chance in this league.

Its not his fault joshhouston screwed him up the first time.

[methatswho]

Jun 6, 2023 11:44:05 GMT -6 New York Knicks said:

Nah give Antoine Walker a second chance in this league.

Its not his fault joshhouston screwed him up the first time.

No it was also previous GMs but he's no longer in the draft either 

[methatswho]

FDA this is in your wheelhouse how would you say John did with his current iteration of the draft

[New York Knicks]

It says the class is unedited. So theres nothing to judge.

[John1974]

Jun 6, 2023 11:33:49 GMT -6 methatswho said:

We need to cut Antoine Walker in the league make him a a non playable player do to this being his draft year

He's not in the class anymore.

[John1974]

Jun 6, 2023 11:50:19 GMT -6 New York Knicks said:

It says the class is unedited. So theres nothing to judge.

Some initial edits are made, with fakes edited.

[New York Knicks]

Stephon Marbury: B- B- (low) B B- D+ A (low)

Changes: He gotta be better than D Potential. Hes a 2 time all-star. He was a 20 ppg 8 apg guy in his prime. At least give him a low A potential. I would bump up his inside scoring (From C+ to B-). He was great at attacking the basket. His shooting wasn't as great (career 32.5 % from threes). I would personally drop him from B outside to B- (low). I feel like the B shooters in this class should be Steve Nash, Peja, Ray Allen, and Kobe (even though he was a lesser 3pt shooter...but he was so damn skilled in the midrange he deserves a B)


Allen Iverson: B B- (low) B B C- A

Changes: I would bump his shooting Down for the same reason as Marbury. A career 31.3% 3pt shooter shouldn't start with a B outside. His B defense is interesting. He wasnt very good on ball. But he led the league in steals 3 years in a row. So i guess the B grade primarily comes from a high steals number.


Shareef Adbur Rahim: B C C B- C+ A

Changes: SAR averaged 20.8 ppg/8.2 rpg in his first 5 years with the Grizzlies. He was a very skilled scorer. So id bump Inside up to B. And he was solid enough on the glass to be a C+


Ben Wallace: C+ D D+ B+ B+ B

Changes: Hes a 4 time Defensive Player of The Year. He gotta start with a B+ defense. When he came to Det he averaged 13.2 RPG, 13.0 RPG, 15.4 RPG, 12.4 RPG, 12.2 RPG. He gotta be B+ rebounding too. But that C- outside? We gotta lower that. Hes a career 41.4 % FT shooter. So id go from C- to D.


All in all the Class looks pretty solid and realistic.

[uwotmate]

Kobe should be B B- not B- B

His jumping rating should be high, around 90, so should push him up to a B