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[New York Knicks]

We're still making both Maxey and Haliburton very low rated scorers. When they're both at 20+ PPG. C inside means the guy won't shoot. Maxey puts up shots playing alongside Harden and Embiid.

He should be C+ B- C+ C+ C- A

Haliburton is averaging almost 20/10 on high shooting percentages.

Haliburton C+ B- B- C+ C- A

[New York Knicks]

And Desmond Bane is a 43 % career 3pt shooter. He should at least be a C+ if not B- outside

[Kong]

Théo Maledon too needs lowered.

[Kong]

Sorry if I am not offering grades for those that need lowered but really they need lowered in general.

Like for Patrick Williams I would go from B B C+ B B- B to C+ C+ C B- C+ B.

^ Based on previous drafts I mean.

[New York Knicks]

Patrick Williams is a pretty good defender. He got cute little nickname "the paw" like Kawhis the claw. But his offensive game is pretty vanilla. A B inside/B Outside is borderline insane

[Kong]

I mean, yeah. If any with guys like Williams, Okoro, other 19 year old players I rather give them the benefit of the doubt with potential rather than with grades like what they have now.

Because some have really high grades even though they proved very little and compensated with a high B potential. But with how camps work for teenagers. There is a chance they have a camp explosion for Potential. So then, you have a rookie Williams with huge grades and potential even though he is still proving that he belongs.

[New York Knicks]

With that said. Wiseman probably shouldn't have lost his A Potential. Potential is all he got in real life. He went 2nd overall for a reason. And you see the potential in spurts. He had 30pts in a game a week ago. Granted in extended garbage time.

It's his consistent production that's the issue. Which is why his other ratings should take a hit. Not the Potential. Because who the hell knows what he ends up being in 2-3 yeats in real life. Jermaine Oneal would've been a Gleaguer too if it existed back then. Then in year 5-6 He blow up and became an all-star.

[Kong]

He was 2nd highest potential. But yeah, at B- C D+ B B- B for 19 he still needs fix.

B is the top grade we are giving and a #1 had like 3 Bs at most. And I know a high grade can still be bad ratings but grades is all we judge at this point, lol.

[Kong]

and age should matter more than it does but I am the only one that thinks that way so don't mention it much, lol. Like now camps will be for rookie contracts but still the potential of a 22 years player goes down faster than that of a 20 or a 19.

[yourkers15]

Ball don't look like he should. Probably best player in the class and he has C outside.

Haliburton is one of the best players and doesn't look like he should. Patrick Williams is far too good.

[hooper]

Dec 28, 2022 18:08:03 GMT -6 New York Knicks said:

With that said. Wiseman probably shouldn't have lost his A Potential. Potential is all he got in real life. He went 2nd overall for a reason. And you see the potential in spurts. He had 30pts in a game a week ago. Granted in extended garbage time.

It's his consistent production that's the issue. Which is why his other ratings should take a hit. Not the Potential. Because who the hell knows what he ends up being in 2-3 yeats in real life. Jermaine Oneal would've been a Gleaguer too if it existed back then. Then in year 5-6 He blow up and became an all-star.

Wiseman is not an NBA player. He'll be out of the league in 2-3 more years. If the Warriors were to trade him, they probably couldn't get 2 second round picks.

If anything he could be an A potential guy but with like C D F C B- ratings. That would be realistic, if you believe there is even anything there still. Which I do not.

[John1974]

you guys need to understand some of those ratings are actually higher than the letter rating you see. many players look better when you're looking at the numbers.

[Kong]

Grades look even higher now. I get grades are not equal to ratings but I bet they sort of are in this case, lol. They are too high.

It is like I say. You have inflation comparing to the players in the own class because this class has too high grades in general but you got to compare it to other class to get it right.

In '06 for example Billups was C+ B- B C+ C- A.

And Billups is a future hall of famer. He almost did it last class? Now, I look at grades and I see a bunch of player that I bet are probably better and younger even though they didn't prove that much in real life.

Or Rip Hamilton that in that same class was C+ B- C+ C+ D+ A. In what position would that Hamilton go in this class? lol.

Grades need lowered.

[Kong]

In '03 for instance, Blake Griffin entered the draft at B- C C C+ B- A and it was said that grades didn't tell the whole story. But then, ratings were off and Griffin was no good.

This class was inflated last time we did it and it had really good talent rating wise to go with the grades. And this time, grades look even higher so it will be more inflated, lol. Unless it is turned down a bit generally speaking. Just emphasize this points because it wont be fair when next class is so much worse than this unless we will do average ratings higher as a general rule.

[coldbeatle89]

Onyeka is amazing. He’s just blocked off here IRL and would do well to start somewhere.

[Kong]

I did an excel to prove what I am saying that class needs lowered in general.

I compared this class with happytailsnaturals.com/ITP7/2006/html/draft/draftplayers-pot.htm which is a solid class I think? lol.

And took top 31 players in potential. (if you make it say top 40 this class seems even more inflated)

For Grades, D = 3 points, C = 6, B = 9, A = 12, then A+ = 13, A- = 11 and so one.

So, for upcoming class I got:

Avg Age: 20.2, Avg In: 6.94 (almost C+), Avg Out: 7 (C+), Avg Hn: 6.42 (rounded to C), Avg Df: 7.94 (almost B-), Avg Reb: 6.23 (rounded to C), Avg Pot: 10.55

For Duncan class I got:

Avg Age: 21.84, Avg In: 6.94 (almost C+), Avg Out: 6.29 (rounded to C), Avg Hn: 5.52 (C-, C), Avg Df: 7.68 (rounded to B-), Avg Reb: 5.55 (C-, C), Avg Pot: 9.58

^ So yeah, I think class needs lowered in general.

[Kong]

Lebron's class for example (one of the best ever) is at:

Avg Age: 21.29, Avg In: 7.26 (almost C+), Avg Out: 6.84 (almost C+), Avg Hn: 6.42 (C), Avg Df: 7.16 (almost C+), Avg Reb: 5.48 (C-, C), Avg Pot: 11.13

[Kong]

So based on those averages, rebounding and def probably need the most lowering. And outside too is a bit high because the average age is low. based on what I saw in my time here is that it is easier for outside to go up in TC especially for young players.

And I get that if a class is full of bigs you would expect higher rebounding average but this class has players for all positions. And defensively, there are also not that many good defenders to justify the average being higher than Duncan's class, lol. Like I pointed, Billups for instance that was a good defender started at just a C+ def.

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Tanking doesn't pay fellas

[Kong]

I agree with the suggestions before of C+ defense for Haliburton / Maxey.

At 20 and with A potential, B is super high based on my previous data. And like I said, Billups started at 21 with C+ defense and he was a better defender.