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Post by greenmachine on Jan 10, 2019 9:21:21 GMT -6
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Post by arrestinu on Jan 10, 2019 11:02:22 GMT -6
Here's my take:
Neither GM is a noob. I'm not a fan of cancelling trades because there's some kind of consensus that it's a bad deal for 1 side. Sometimes GM's need to find out a deal is bad (and I'm not saying this one is in particular) after they make it. I think we spend too much time and effort trying to make sure all trades are "even". We should protect new/inexperienced GM's from lopsided deals, but experienced GM's should be allowed to live and learn, per se.
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Post by klomper24 on Jan 10, 2019 11:12:56 GMT -6
Here's my take: Neither GM is a noob. I'm not a fan of cancelling trades because there's some kind of consensus that it's a bad deal for 1 side. Sometimes GM's need to find out a deal is bad (and I'm not saying this one is in particular) after they make it. I think we spend too much time and effort trying to make sure all trades are "even". We should protect new/inexperienced GM's from lopsided deals, but experienced GM's should be allowed to live and learn, per se. Couldn't agree more. The council is there for protection of new people to the league. Not to make sure trades are fair, or even. Every trade is going to be one sided according to the majority of people. Simply b/c people value players and assets differently. |
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Post by hooper on Jan 10, 2019 11:24:05 GMT -6
Here's my take: Neither GM is a noob. I'm not a fan of cancelling trades because there's some kind of consensus that it's a bad deal for 1 side. Sometimes GM's need to find out a deal is bad (and I'm not saying this one is in particular) after they make it. I think we spend too much time and effort trying to make sure all trades are "even". We should protect new/inexperienced GM's from lopsided deals, but experienced GM's should be allowed to live and learn, per se. Couldn't agree more. The council is there for protection of new people to the league. Not to make sure trades are fair, or even. Every trade is going to be one sided according to the majority of people. Simply b/c people value players and assets differently. What is the point of protecting draft picks if you let the GM who’s pick is being protected trade their 19 year old superstar before he even sees his numbers? If it goes through, congrats on having the best player AND the best prospect in the west. |
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Post by New York Knicks on Jan 10, 2019 11:24:43 GMT -6
Here's my take: Neither GM is a noob. I'm not a fan of cancelling trades because there's some kind of consensus that it's a bad deal for 1 side. Sometimes GM's need to find out a deal is bad (and I'm not saying this one is in particular) after they make it. I think we spend too much time and effort trying to make sure all trades are "even". We should protect new/inexperienced GM's from lopsided deals, but experienced GM's should be allowed to live and learn, per se. But what do you if a GM DOESN'T find out a deal is bad. In fact he NEVER seems to know that a deal is bad. Do you just let him keep making the same mistake over and over? 5 years ago it was a similar Lakers heat deal. A rookie Eric Gordon and a future 1st for Barkley. Gordon became a superstar, the future 1st became the 3rd overall pick in the 89 draft. And Barkley was gone after a year or two with the Heat not even making the playoffs. Now this deal isn't nearly as bad. Jalen Rose is big time and he's signed long term so Heat won't lose him in FA like Barkley. But the thinking remains the same. You trade a super valuable 19 year old prospect for what? To Miss the playoffs or best case scenario be an 8 seed? It's the same cycle. He traded top 7 picks 3 years in a row from 87-89. Almost traded his 92 pick for Adam fucking Templeton. Now he gets the best young player be probably ever had in Parker. And of course he trades him as well. What the fuck? |
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Post by hooper on Jan 10, 2019 11:29:33 GMT -6
Here's my take: Neither GM is a noob. I'm not a fan of cancelling trades because there's some kind of consensus that it's a bad deal for 1 side. Sometimes GM's need to find out a deal is bad (and I'm not saying this one is in particular) after they make it. I think we spend too much time and effort trying to make sure all trades are "even". We should protect new/inexperienced GM's from lopsided deals, but experienced GM's should be allowed to live and learn, per se. But what do you if a GM DOESN'T find out a deal is bad. In fact he NEVER seems to know that a deal is bad. Do you just let him keep making the same mistake over and over? 5 years ago it was a similar Lakers heat deal. A rookie Eric Gordon and a future 1st for Barkley. Gordon became a superstar, the future 1st became the 3rd overall pick in the 89 draft. And Barkley was gone after a year or two with the Heat not even making the playoffs. Now this deal isn't nearly as bad. Jalen Rose is big time and he's signed long term so Heat won't lose him in FA like Barkley. But the thinking remains the same. You trade a super valuable 19 year old prospect for what? To Miss the playoffs or best case scenario be an 8 seed? It's the same cycle. He traded top 7 picks 3 years in a row from 87-89. Almost traded his 92 pick for Adam fucking Templeton. Now he gets the best young player be probably ever had in Parker. And of course he trades him as well. What the fuck? Disrespectful to Adam Templeton smh |
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Post by New York Knicks on Jan 10, 2019 11:33:02 GMT -6
No disrespect intended. He's a legend in his own right. A true tank commander.
You damn near made the playoffs once you traded him.
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Post by arrestinu on Jan 10, 2019 11:41:59 GMT -6
I'd be more in favor of a general rule that prohibits trading a rookie until his 1st year, or even 2nd year is completed. Or at least any player that was a Lottery pick. That reinforces the existing concept/rule of protecting those draft picks.
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Post by hooper on Jan 10, 2019 11:42:04 GMT -6
No disrespect intended. He's a legend in his own right. A true tank commander. You damn near made the playoffs once you traded him. It had more to do with Eaton being such a good defender he carried my entire team on that end, and the fact I had Burke / calathes / other shooters scoring efficiently from 3 Plus in FA, in good faith of the league, I signed actual ITP caliber players I liken soooome GMs who signed the literal worst players possible to fill their roster It worked out anyway but took some luck. If this draft class stunk I would have been in trouble. Thus bringing us back to this trade: Embiid / Jokic / Jabari / AG all probably would have been the 1 pick in the previous draft |
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Post by greenmachine on Jan 10, 2019 12:00:46 GMT -6
Here's my take: Neither GM is a noob. I'm not a fan of cancelling trades because there's some kind of consensus that it's a bad deal for 1 side. Sometimes GM's need to find out a deal is bad (and I'm not saying this one is in particular) after they make it. I think we spend too much time and effort trying to make sure all trades are "even". We should protect new/inexperienced GM's from lopsided deals, but experienced GM's should be allowed to live and learn, per se. Couldn't agree more. The council is there for protection of new people to the league. Not to make sure trades are fair, or even. Every trade is going to be one sided according to the majority of people. Simply b/c people value players and assets differently. I agree with what yall are saying about the council not in place for evening out trades but I disagree with the assertion that it should only be tapped for new/inexperienced GMs. There is precedent set for the Heat making bad trades (cue the "you're an asshole"). So having a trade go to council and denied by said council should be the "live and learn" aspect. |
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Post by greenmachine on Jan 10, 2019 12:02:00 GMT -6
But what do you if a GM DOESN'T find out a deal is bad. In fact he NEVER seems to know that a deal is bad. Do you just let him keep making the same mistake over and over? 5 years ago it was a similar Lakers heat deal. A rookie Eric Gordon and a future 1st for Barkley. Gordon became a superstar, the future 1st became the 3rd overall pick in the 89 draft. And Barkley was gone after a year or two with the Heat not even making the playoffs. Now this deal isn't nearly as bad. Jalen Rose is big time and he's signed long term so Heat won't lose him in FA like Barkley. But the thinking remains the same. You trade a super valuable 19 year old prospect for what? To Miss the playoffs or best case scenario be an 8 seed? It's the same cycle. He traded top 7 picks 3 years in a row from 87-89. Almost traded his 92 pick for Adam fucking Templeton. Now he gets the best young player be probably ever had in Parker. And of course he trades him as well. What the fuck? Disrespectful to Adam Templeton smh Adam Templeton so good the Wiz had to go out and get Tim Hardaway to be his back up lol |
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Post by hooper on Jan 10, 2019 12:03:57 GMT -6
Disrespectful to Adam Templeton smh Adam Templeton so good the Wiz had to go out and get Tim Hardaway to be his back up lol Wiz traded for him and never put him in their lineup. He’s the hero the league needed. He saved us all |
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Post by yourkers15 on Jan 10, 2019 12:24:02 GMT -6
He told me he wasnt trading Parker.
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Post by greenmachine on Jan 10, 2019 12:32:20 GMT -6
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Post by arrestinu on Jan 10, 2019 12:58:41 GMT -6
Couldn't agree more. The council is there for protection of new people to the league. Not to make sure trades are fair, or even. Every trade is going to be one sided according to the majority of people. Simply b/c people value players and assets differently. I agree with what yall are saying about the council not in place for evening out trades but I disagree with the assertion that it should only be tapped for new/inexperienced GMs. There is precedent set for the Heat making bad trades (cue the "you're an asshole"). So having a trade go to council and denied by said council should be the "live and learn" aspect. I certainly understand that position as well. |
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Post by hooper on Jan 10, 2019 16:04:16 GMT -6
He will thank the trade council in the long run, I guarantee it
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Post by klomper24 on Jan 10, 2019 17:37:23 GMT -6
Sweet. Now Jabari will be completely wasted b/c he doesn't have any cash to camp him. And he just traded for Stockton so he's stuck in that terrible no mans land of fringe lottoo/8th seed rather than trading for another superstar and competing. Nice.
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Post by hooper on Jan 10, 2019 17:39:48 GMT -6
Sweet. Now Jabari will be completely wasted b/c he doesn't have any cash to camp him. And he just traded for Stockton so he's stuck in that terrible no mans land of fringe lottoo/8th seed rather than trading for another superstar and competing. Nice. The only superstar being traded here hasn’t played a game yet |
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Post by hooper on Jan 10, 2019 17:52:04 GMT -6
rather than trading for another superstar and competing. Nice. Superstar. Let’s look at Jalen Rose’s award history... ...weird, there is nothing there |
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Post by klomper24 on Jan 10, 2019 18:27:30 GMT -6
rather than trading for another superstar and competing. Nice. Superstar. Let’s look at Jalen Rose’s award history... ...weird, there is nothing there Hasn't been given his time to shine yet. Obviously. Averaging 22 a game with high efficiency as a 3rd option. |
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