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Post by lutonlol on Dec 5, 2014 6:56:10 GMT -6
So Grizz, you're telling me this is a better offer then mine? A turnover machine, worthless pick and Dalembert? I'm really getting to the point where i'm seriously thinking about leaving the league. There's no point in playing this game when nobody wants to deal with you. Trouble is your offers are so often one sided and you have such an exaggerated view of your own player's worth that trading with you is not a pleasant experience. You generally don't look at what the other team might want/need. It appears that if you offer us a deal we should be grateful even though it would be of little benefit. So if your offer to Grizz was another of your Divac for ..... type deals then it may be that another GM values him at a lot less than the $117m he is going to earn with the Suns. And that will be the reason you lost out. Had you considered that he might not want Divac? Your player is worth what someone will give for him not the valuation YOU put on him. |
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Post by huxley on Dec 5, 2014 6:59:32 GMT -6
Yes you're right, Russel Westbrook is obvioulsy a better player then Divac. And Russ's contract is just FANTASTIC.
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Post by lutonlol on Dec 5, 2014 7:09:49 GMT -6
Well obviously in HIS opinion the higher potential plus cash etc. was a better offer.
So yes he took what HE thought was the better offer.
Whether YOU agree with that is irrelevant because its what HE values Divac and Westbrook at that matters.
- Divac has very average ratings with only Strength over 75 and his RPG fell last season.
- Westbrook has some nice numbers in several categories can still have 2 x Handling camp and a much higher potential
Me - I'd take Westbrook too
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Post by huxley on Dec 5, 2014 7:21:17 GMT -6
Yes yes off course. 450$ offered by Warriors actually worths more then 500$ of my money. Warriors 79 pick is way better and more valuable then Clippers 80 $ Suns 81 firsts combined. Westbrook, despite having the same numbers as a starter on a pathetic team - with Divac playing the backup on a loaded team, is obviously a way superior player and off course Samuel Dalembert is, that goes without saying, on another stratospfere then Sam Bowie.
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Post by greeme on Dec 5, 2014 7:22:12 GMT -6
Well obviously in HIS opinion the higher potential plus cash etc. was a better offer. So yes he took what HE thought was the better offer. Whether YOU agree with that is irrelevant because its what HE values Divac and Westbrook at that matters. - Divac has very average ratings with only Strength over 75 and his RPG fell last season. - Westbrook has some nice numbers in several categories can still have 2 x Handling camp and a much higher potential Me - I'd take Westbrook too Westbrook is garbage Anyone who thinks otherwise does not understand the game |
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Post by lutonlol on Dec 5, 2014 7:36:18 GMT -6
Overpaid but not garbage - better than a lot of the other PG's that started last season
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Post by dwightcoward on Dec 5, 2014 7:47:50 GMT -6
Definitely overpaid, but he's 22 and has the 2nd best potential in the league's valuable players, better than Olajuwon, Barkley, Stockton, Hill or Kidd.
I bet $1000 that he's worth his salary in five years. If he were a SF or a PF I would absolutely not have traded him.
Btw I also had a Divac/Westbrook offer on the table and was not really interested, even if I needed a big man...
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Post by greeme on Dec 5, 2014 7:50:42 GMT -6
Overpaid but not garbage - better than a lot of the other PG's that started last season As of now he is garbage His shooting efficiency is poor and his tos are through the roof He definitely has pot to improve though and get to just being overpaid |
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Post by greeme on Dec 5, 2014 7:51:23 GMT -6
Definitely overpaid, but he's 22 and has the 2nd best potential in the league's valuable players, better than Olajuwon, Barkley, Stockton, Hill or Kidd. I bet $1000 that he's worth his salary in five years. If he were a SF or a PF I would absolutely not have traded him. Btw I also had a Divac/Westbrook offer on the table and was not really interested, even if I needed a big man... Post the bet in the betting section and i will accept |
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Post by ClauseIsAWarrior on Dec 5, 2014 9:35:40 GMT -6
Westbrook lol. What a dumb trade.
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Post by AuldDawg on Dec 5, 2014 13:46:05 GMT -6
For those of you that don't look at numbers, Westbrook (remember he's only 22), has the 47th highest total of skill points in the entire league. Walton? 115th, with 19 potential. #46? If I'm the Grizzlies, I make that trade every day of the week and twice on Sundays. Is Westbrook overpaid at the moment? Of course. Will he be in 5 years? Not likely with the proper Camping and decent TC's. greeme, if you're taking on all comers, I'll take that bet. (Assuming that aceman camps him each season otherwise all bets are off.) |
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Post by aceman034 on Dec 5, 2014 14:23:17 GMT -6
For those of you that don't look at numbers, Westbrook (remember he's only 22), has the 47th highest total of skill points in the entire league. Walton? 115th, with 19 potential. #46? If I'm the Grizzlies, I make that trade every day of the week and twice on Sundays. Is Westbrook overpaid at the moment? Of course. Will he be in 5 years? Not likely with the proper Camping and decent TC's. greeme, if you're taking on all comers, I'll take that bet. (Assuming that aceman camps him each season otherwise all bets are off.) Bingo. |
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Post by yourkers15 on Dec 5, 2014 14:30:05 GMT -6
I went after Walton last year and at the time was told I needed to trade Adams/shumate to get him. Got def a lot less for him and I guess he finally saw his true value.
Also a classic hux temper tantrum. Divac is never gonna b worth that contract. Having him on a team with that contract would be devastating. Also love how hux bashes Westbrook but he has a similar player in hardaway who is a big time turnover player.
Westbrook is completely overpaid n also his C outside shooting is a killer. It is hard to get a player high in outside shooting when it's at a C. Now if he gets camped in outside shooting righ away he might be a terrible shooter for his whole career. So hopefully ace puts the time into him or he could be stuck with a mediocre turnover player for 6 years.
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Post by huxley on Dec 5, 2014 14:35:33 GMT -6
You're clueless.
Divac has the same numbers as Westbrook (who's starter and a first option on worst team in the league) as a backup! And he was never camped. With 3 or 4 camps and as a option on any other team, guy's easily a 18/11 player.
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Post by gritter13 on Dec 5, 2014 14:40:20 GMT -6
I'm not a fan of any of those contracts, but of the 3, Westbrook would be the one I like the best. Walton is the better player now, but his lack of potential scares the crap out of me. Divac is a mediocre center that should be paid about half of what he's getting. Westbrook is overpaid and turns the ball over a ton, but he is young (22) with a ton of potential (84). He is also a fantastic perimeter defender and rebounder, so I could see him spending the next couple of seasons playing the off-guard position while Ace camps his handles. BTW...Ace you might have more success here if you stopped playing Bingo and concentrated on building your team.  |
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Post by AuldDawg on Dec 5, 2014 14:46:28 GMT -6
You're clueless. Divac has the same numbers as Westbrook (who's starter and a first option on worst team in the league) as a backup! And he was never camped. With 3 or 4 camps and as a option on any other team, guy's easily a 18/11 player. 18/11 player...you mean like the other 40 or so players that can do that? Btw, Divac is 2 spots higher than Walton @ #113 in overall stat points. Both are mediocre and likely always will be. (Although to be fair, Divac has the potential to improve with some lucky TC's and camping.) yourkers15, Westbrook's shooting numbers: 71 79 25 Consider his 87 Jump and 13.5 5.9 9.5 1.3 0.1 3.6 .463 .799 .308 stat line. With his handles, I probably would play him at the off guard but those numbers are pretty impressive even as a PG |
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Post by stork15 on Dec 5, 2014 14:58:49 GMT -6
Definitely overpaid, but he's 22 and has the 2nd best potential in the league's valuable players, better than Olajuwon, Barkley, Stockton, Hill or Kidd. I bet $1000 that he's worth his salary in five years. If he were a SF or a PF I would absolutely not have traded him. Btw I also had a Divac/Westbrook offer on the table and was not really interested, even if I needed a big man... How are you possibly going to quantify that bet? |
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Post by AuldDawg on Dec 5, 2014 15:05:01 GMT -6
Definitely overpaid, but he's 22 and has the 2nd best potential in the league's valuable players, better than Olajuwon, Barkley, Stockton, Hill or Kidd. I bet $1000 that he's worth his salary in five years. If he were a SF or a PF I would absolutely not have traded him. Btw I also had a Divac/Westbrook offer on the table and was not really interested, even if I needed a big man... I would have taken Divac over Walton. |
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Post by AuldDawg on Dec 5, 2014 15:06:12 GMT -6
Definitely overpaid, but he's 22 and has the 2nd best potential in the league's valuable players, better than Olajuwon, Barkley, Stockton, Hill or Kidd. I bet $1000 that he's worth his salary in five years. If he were a SF or a PF I would absolutely not have traded him. Btw I also had a Divac/Westbrook offer on the table and was not really interested, even if I needed a big man... I would have taken Divac over Walton. |
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Post by yourkers15 on Dec 5, 2014 15:06:19 GMT -6
Hux why don't u stop saying how good divac can b and do it yourself. I want you to use the cash on camping him instead of using it to trade because you know he is overpaid. Show us otherwise.
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